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    Re: Poor care at VA hospitals cost 1,000 veterans their lives, report says

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    How do you propose to fill those positions called Doctors and Nurses?
    I have shown an easy outline--similar to my own college tuition for mandatory chem/physics teaching in 1971.

    All tuition paid--must serve internships in VA Hospitals and/or Veteran's Homes.
    Must work for the VA for 5 years after receiving accreditation.

    Now, many of these hospitals associated with Veteran's Homes are actually Catholic/Public hospitals.
    Manteno VH has to alternate with St. Mary's and Riverside in Kankakee.
    In Quincy, they go to Blessing Hospital for an emergency.


    Btw, the VA bill would have built 27 new facilities.
    Have you seen the shape of some of these VA facilities--I did for 38 years caring for my Dad until he died in 2012.




    Why do you people always have to go swinging to the right blaming the left?
    Sure does git er done eh ?

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    Re: Poor care at VA hospitals cost 1,000 veterans their lives, report says

    It's criminal and a national embarassment.

    But it certainly didnt start with this administration.
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    Re: Poor care at VA hospitals cost 1,000 veterans their lives, report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    It's criminal and a national embarassment.

    But it certainly didnt start with this administration.
    Nor did it start with public health care. The private sector is fraught with malpractice issue as well but, sadly, it is easier for the private sector to keep people in the dark and lure them into that old refrain doctors howl claiming their malpractice insurance costs too much. All they have to do is stop malpracticing. I have worked in 2 different VAs and a state hospital. Those places don't really attract the best MDs because, even though the pay is good, they can make far more in private practice. Many VAs have a lot of foreign doctors whose command of the language is poor, so the fewer patients they see on a daily basis the easier their job is. One of the places I worked, there was some expectation that providers would see a large caseload and most were able to keep up. The other one couldn't do a think about their doctors refusing to see but 3 patients a day. Think about this: We are paying lazy doctors $250,000 a year to see 3 patients a day. All the numbers and reports are available to the higher ups. I, my self, could pull up the information and see which and how many patients any given doctor saw in a day. One of the facilities got a lot of negative publicity following the death of some veterans because they were employing doctors to do surgeries they were unqualified to do and even had a doctor with a revoked license. IMO, there are only two answers to the problem. 1) Allocate more money. Or 2) require current providers to carry a larger caseload. I vote for 2.

    Someone on a forum where I used to post said, 'if you work for the state, you will end up working for your secretary.' He was VERY right about this. Part of the problem is that non licensed personnel have authority over licensed personnel, and the non licensed personnel simply don't care about anything except how the numbers look because that is what gets them a raise or a bonus at the end of the year. I, myself, had no capability of scheduling or unscheduling patients. that was entirely up to clerical staff and it is clerical staff who have falsified the numbers, but may of them think the doctors are gods and collude with them so everyone does pretty much nothing all day long. I know of one clinician who would not schedule anyone until 6 weeks out. But I could look at her case load and see that she was only seeing 2 or 3 patients a day. I guess her thinking was, 'if they have something seriously wrong they will die before their visit and then I won't have to deal with it.' It would seem that, in the light of the numbers of veterans who have died waiting for appointments, she was dead on.

    But, folks, let me remind you: As goes the government, so goes the nation. Private practices need to be cleaned up as well. And the problem in private practices is different in that providers will sock as many patients into their day as they possibly can so they will be able to make a lot of money. The schedules in private practices are too heavy and providers run people through like cattle. And their instance of malpractice is just as high as in the public sector if not higher.
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