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    Re: Poor care at VA hospitals cost 1,000 veterans their lives, report says

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Im sorry, you seem to think that saying "look over there!" is an acceptable answer. It is not.
    No, it puts it in perspective rather than dwelling on something that is not going to be fixed by simply complaining about it. It is the same thing that happens for a lot of things that deal with the military. One side or the other gets information, then blows it up and focuses on placing blame rather than finding out about the problem. I've complained about this very same thing happening when it comes to sexual assaults in the military. Yes, they happen, but not nearly as much as in the civilian world, yet when they happen in the military people concentrate on them with laser focus and want to make claims that our soldiers are all rapists and assholes who do nothing but hurt, even their fellow servicemembers. In reality, very few servicemembers ever sexually assault anyone when you look at the real data. And very little needs to be done, yet we still end up having to have additional "training" every time the media gets some report that says "xxx number of servicemembers have reported being sexually assaulted" or "xx% of women diagnosed by VA with PTSD from sexual assault".

    That is the problem. While both sexual assault and the VA system are an issue, we know what caused the problem here, overloading of a system with rules that were unmeetable and instead of standing up to those passing down the rules, the people instead tried to work around them in a way that put people in danger (obviously). This is deeper than just those admins, but it speaks more about the people's unwillingness to force their congressmen to look into solving a problem rather than trying to react to a problem, resulting in little more than a "here's some Motrin and water" answer.
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    Re: Poor care at VA hospitals cost 1,000 veterans their lives, report says

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    No, it puts it in perspective rather than dwelling on something that is not going to be fixed by simply complaining about it. It is the same thing that happens for a lot of things that deal with the military. One side or the other gets information, then blows it up and focuses on placing blame rather than finding out about the problem. I've complained about this very same thing happening when it comes to sexual assaults in the military. Yes, they happen, but not nearly as much as in the civilian world, yet when they happen in the military people concentrate on them with laser focus and want to make claims that our soldiers are all rapists and assholes who do nothing but hurt, even their fellow servicemembers. In reality, very few servicemembers ever sexually assault anyone when you look at the real data. And very little needs to be done, yet we still end up having to have additional "training" every time the media gets some report that says "xxx number of servicemembers have reported being sexually assaulted" or "xx% of women diagnosed by VA with PTSD from sexual assault".

    That is the problem. While both sexual assault and the VA system are an issue, we know what caused the problem here, overloading of a system with rules that were unmeetable and instead of standing up to those passing down the rules, the people instead tried to work around them in a way that put people in danger (obviously). This is deeper than just those admins, but it speaks more about the people's unwillingness to force their congressmen to look into solving a problem rather than trying to react to a problem, resulting in little more than a "here's some Motrin and water" answer.
    Who's "dwelling" on this? This scandal is recent, and the more the media does its job and digs-the worse we find out things have actually been.
    I dont think our vets deserve this treatment, and I WILL hold all involved accountable. Deal with it.

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    Re: Poor care at VA hospitals cost 1,000 veterans their lives, report says

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Who's "dwelling" on this? This scandal is recent, and the more the media does its job and digs-the worse we find out things have actually been.
    I dont think our vets deserve this treatment, and I WILL hold all involved accountable. Deal with it.
    Then do something to fix it rather than looking for revenge. Fixing the problem is more than just holding people accountable.
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    Re: Poor care at VA hospitals cost 1,000 veterans their lives, report says

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Then do something to fix it rather than looking for revenge. Fixing the problem is more than just holding people accountable.
    He could start with the VA bill that still hasn't cleared congress.
    The very same bill that his party filibustered several months ago.
    Which could have been paid by the Cruz Gov't shutdown.

    He knows little of what VA hospitals like Hines VA in the Chicago suburb of Maywood were going through in 2008.
    I do since my elderly WW2 Dad was there at the same time.

    Adding tens of thousands of maimed Veterans to an already overloaded VA system
    must have been an unintended consequence of Iraq-2 which he wanted to go on in petpetuity .
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    Re: Poor care at VA hospitals cost 1,000 veterans their lives, report says

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Then do something to fix it rather than looking for revenge. Fixing the problem is more than just holding people accountable.
    How am I, a non-federal employee going to be privy to anything in Obama's cabinet? What we know is he made promises-years ago-to fix things for the VA as HE ended the wars-and yet what these vets got was nothing-nothing until they died. Thats not cool, and it will be resolved.

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    Re: Poor care at VA hospitals cost 1,000 veterans their lives, report says

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Adding tens of thousands of maimed Veterans to an already overloaded VA system
    must have been an unintended consequence of Iraq-2 which he wanted to go on in petpetuity .
    I dont know what this means.

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    Re: Poor care at VA hospitals cost 1,000 veterans their lives, report says

    It will not be resolved with the current level of hospitals and doctors and nurses.
    These are the unintended consequences that occur when war goes past 6 weeks.
    You get tens of thousands of unexpected maimed Iraqi Veterans.
    Added to an already swamped system of Korean/Vietnam/WW2 Vets about to die .

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    How am I, a non-federal employee going to be privy to anything in Obama's cabinet? What we know is he made promises-years ago-to fix things for the VA as HE ended the wars-and yet what these vets got was nothing-nothing until they died. Thats not cool, and it will be resolved.
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    Re: Poor care at VA hospitals cost 1,000 veterans their lives, report says

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    How am I, a non-federal employee going to be privy to anything in Obama's cabinet? What we know is he made promises-years ago-to fix things for the VA as HE ended the wars-and yet what these vets got was nothing-nothing until they died. Thats not cool, and it will be resolved.
    Politicians always make promises. Your point? Only a child votes for a politician based on his/her promises alone.

    I have no idea what being privy to Obama's cabinet has to do with solving this situation. Anything that goes into solving this will require funding and bills from Congress. The President is the last person it goes through (unless he vetos it).
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    Re: Poor care at VA hospitals cost 1,000 veterans their lives, report says

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    It will not be resolved with the current level of hospitals and doctors and nurses.
    These are the unintended consequences that occur when war goes past 6 weeks.
    You get tens of thousands of unexpected maimed Iraqi Veterans.
    Added to an already swamped system of Korean/Vietnam/WW2 Vets about to die .
    More evidence that govt run healthcare is destined to fail. Agreed.

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    Re: Poor care at VA hospitals cost 1,000 veterans their lives, report says

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Politicians always make promises. Your point? Only a child votes for a politician based on his/her promises alone.

    I have no idea what being privy to Obama's cabinet has to do with solving this situation. Anything that goes into solving this will require funding and bills from Congress. The President is the last person it goes through (unless he vetos it).
    Politicians making political promises resulting in actual deaths of Americans will be dealt with. Stop making excuses.

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