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    Re: Poor care at VA hospitals cost 1,000 veterans their lives, report says

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    UHC is nothing but more socialist BS. Giving out to the lazy what others struggled hard and worked for. Thats BS, if someone doesn't work for and earn it for themselves, they shouldn't be given it. That goes for housing, food, water and healthcare. It is illogical to waste limited resources on those who only contribute negatively to society and who are totally worthless as individuals.
    Im inclined to agree. Its going to be quite expensive, with a large portion of the average Americans paycheck retained each month to pay for this. The standard of care will drop. There wont be a desire to provide quality care or to keep the customer satisfied (as we see with the VA now).

    People want a freebie and dont realize how its going to hurt them.

    1000 vets dead because of the govt. That would be just the first of millions under socialized medicine.

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    Re: Poor care at VA hospitals cost 1,000 veterans their lives, report says

    Imagine the headlines if a private insurance company withheld care resulting in the deaths of over a 1000 people. Think it would get coverage?

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    Re: Poor care at VA hospitals cost 1,000 veterans their lives, report says

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    UHC is nothing but more socialist BS. Giving out to the lazy what others struggled hard and worked for. Thats BS, if someone doesn't work for and earn it for themselves, they shouldn't be given it. That goes for housing, food, water and healthcare. It is illogical to waste limited resources on those who only contribute negatively to society and who are totally worthless as individuals.
    How about us "lazy" retired people, should we use Social Security?

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    Re: Poor care at VA hospitals cost 1,000 veterans their lives, report says

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    The govt determines the system, so yes it is to blame. And even those nations with single payer often have supplemental insurance.

    This is what top down medicine gets us-dead Americans.
    Our own medical system leads to dead Americans, as I've shown in the first thing I posted.
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    Re: Poor care at VA hospitals cost 1,000 veterans their lives, report says

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Poor care at VA hospitals cost 1,000 veterans their lives, report says
    $1B in malpractice settlements as horror stories revealed


    “The problems at the VA are worse than anyone imagined,” Mr. Coburn said. “Over the past decade, more than 1,000 veterans may have died as a result of VA’s misconduct and the VA has paid out nearly $1 billion to veterans and their families for its medical malpractice.”

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    Govt health care in action. And they hire criminals as well. Our vets dont deserve this, and Obama has some explaining to do.
    What difference at this point does it make?
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: Poor care at VA hospitals cost 1,000 veterans their lives, report says

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Imagine the headlines if a private insurance company withheld care resulting in the deaths of over a 1000 people. Think it would get coverage?
    They do it all the time. Heck, that was big news with HMOs not too long ago and they operated for decades like that. Insurance companies still do this. Or do you not remember the movie John Q? That certainly wasn't government run healthcare doing that. Do you think they pulled the basis for that movie out of nowhere.

    HMO Refuses To Pay For Life Saving Surgery | Consumer Watchdog

    The story of the little girl who was attacked by dogs (the KFC thing that may or may not be a hoax) says that they were trying to raise money for her because their insurance company was refusing to pay for food for the feeding tube.

    Insurance companies refuse to pay medical bills of Old Bridge woman injured in wrong-way crash | NJ.com

    Do you need more? It happens all the time. They simply aren't as scrutinized as the government system is.
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    Re: Poor care at VA hospitals cost 1,000 veterans their lives, report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Look, Congress is as much to blame as anyone. Both houses. I am a disabled vet. I used to use the Phoenix VA. It sucks like a bucket of ticks. Many vets in Arizona knew that before the fit hit the shan. I complained to my congressional representatives and I know other vets who have as well. In frustration, before the debacle went public I finally moved my VA service to Tucson. Sure it's a 2 hour drive, but you actually get appointments.

    Congress knew long before a physician blew the whistle and Congress - both parties - did jack ****. Somebody, anybody, show me where Congress addressed the issue and took action before the lid blew off. Someone show me where Congress approached the President, where Shinseki approached the President and informed him of what was happening.

    I did not vote for Obama, but blaming Obama for the VA debacle is partisan hackery. Blame the VA, then blame both houses and both parties, then blame the American people. Where are all those yellow ribbon sumbitches now?
    What a poor answer.

    Thank you for your service.

    The VA is the perfect example not of political failing as much as it is a prime example of the systemic ineptitude of bureaucratic bloat. It's not that the political parties failed as much as this is what HAPPENS when faceless drones, unaccountable to the people or their actual performance, make the decisions. The VA has been a political football for years in the public, and behind the closed doors of government it's become a mess of personal profit and gain.
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    Re: Poor care at VA hospitals cost 1,000 veterans their lives, report says

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Our own medical system leads to dead Americans, as I've shown in the first thing I posted.
    Medicine in and of itself has inherent risks. Those dont include putting war veterans on secret "die" lists. That was the govt, NOT medicine.

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    Re: Poor care at VA hospitals cost 1,000 veterans their lives, report says

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    They do it all the time. Heck, that was big news with HMOs not too long ago and they operated for decades like that. Insurance companies still do this. Or do you not remember the movie John Q? That certainly wasn't government run healthcare doing that. Do you think they pulled the basis for that movie out of nowhere.

    HMO Refuses To Pay For Life Saving Surgery | Consumer Watchdog

    The story of the little girl who was attacked by dogs (the KFC thing that may or may not be a hoax) says that they were trying to raise money for her because their insurance company was refusing to pay for food for the feeding tube.

    Insurance companies refuse to pay medical bills of Old Bridge woman injured in wrong-way crash | NJ.com

    Do you need more? It happens all the time. They simply aren't as scrutinized as the government system is.

    Show me where they SYSTEMICALLY DENIED CARE TO THOUSANDS RESULTING IN DEATHS. You can't.

    And btw, the private sector is much more regulated and scrutinized compared to govt healthcare.

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    Re: Poor care at VA hospitals cost 1,000 veterans their lives, report says

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    They do it all the time. Heck, that was big news with HMOs not too long ago and they operated for decades like that. Insurance companies still do this. Or do you not remember the movie John Q? That certainly wasn't government run healthcare doing that. Do you think they pulled the basis for that movie out of nowhere.

    HMO Refuses To Pay For Life Saving Surgery | Consumer Watchdog

    The story of the little girl who was attacked by dogs (the KFC thing that may or may not be a hoax) says that they were trying to raise money for her because their insurance company was refusing to pay for food for the feeding tube.

    Insurance companies refuse to pay medical bills of Old Bridge woman injured in wrong-way crash | NJ.com

    Do you need more? It happens all the time. They simply aren't as scrutinized as the government system is.

    Show me where they SYSTEMICALLY DENIED CARE TO THOUSANDS RESULTING IN DEATHS. You can't.

    And btw, the private sector is much more regulated and scrutinized compared to govt healthcare.

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