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    Re: S.F. threatens parking app 'MonkeyParking' with lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    Yeah, but how would the cops know?
    They don't have to. You fine the company for every violation just like Europe has done. This is a company enticing people to break city laws and ignore public property laws. There is nothing stopping the city from fining the company $5K for each transaction it processes.
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    Re: S.F. threatens parking app 'MonkeyParking' with lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Lol, the transaction is for public property that is subject to city laws.
    Well, according to you and the city attorney it is. I haven't seen a legal opinion stating that. When a judge comes up with an opinion that states that a San Francisco city ordinance supercedes the Commerce Clause to the U.S. Constitution and treaties governing international commerce and communications I'll believe you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Are you old enough to understand these concepts? It doesn't matter where a transaction takes place. It's subject to city laws if what is being exchanged for money is public property belonging to the city. As far as the city is concerned, it's public property is not there for people to make a business out of.
    You know, you're increasingly shrill attacks on my intellect belie the fact that you don't have an argument. Case in point:

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    Your inability to circumvent language with any coherent arguments is impressive but it doesn't get you any points. You can maintain an advertisement on a property (public or private) without physically placing a sign.
    Yes, but you're stretching the legal definition of the word "on" or "upon" and the intent of that section, titled "Unlawfully Placing Signs On Public And Private Property" by implying that it applies to a notification via the Internet that a parking space is being vacated. Even a moron knows that a "sign" is a physical thing. But then that is California, with its cadre of judges schooled in the law by Tweedle Dumb and Tweedle Dumber. But, like I said in the previous post, winning a legal argument and a real one when the practical challenges are insurmountable are two different things. I'll chalk this one up for John Galt.
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    Re: S.F. threatens parking app 'MonkeyParking' with lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    They don't have to. You fine the company for every violation just like Europe has done. This is a company enticing people to break city laws and ignore public property laws. There is nothing stopping the city from fining the company $5K for each transaction it processes.
    OK, so you fine the company and then it reconstitutes itself in Vanuatu while everyone who wants a parking spot and is willing to pay for it just drops dead or what? You know, you can order illicit drugs on the Internet and have them shipped anywhere you want. Do you really think that if there's a buck to be made San Francisco can stop it? Good luck.
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    Re: S.F. threatens parking app 'MonkeyParking' with lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    They way I understand it is you get paid only after the person paying successfully gets the spot.
    Whats to keep me from finding a spot listing and physically blocking the transaction?

    If i get there first theres no way for the "customer" or the "seller" to prevent me from.doing so short of the seller being able to out-stubborn me.
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    Re: S.F. threatens parking app 'MonkeyParking' with lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    Well, according to you and the city attorney it is. I haven't seen a legal opinion stating that.
    According to a city attorney? According to anybody who understands how property works and owns some.

    You know, you're increasingly shrill attacks on my intellect belie the fact that you don't have an argument. Case in point:
    Shrill? For whom? Lol, the city of San Francisco? I'm in Mexico, kiddo.

    Yes, but you're stretching the legal definition of the word "on" or "upon" and the intent of that section,
    Stretching the legal definition of upon? What legal definition? There is absolutely no difference between placing an advertisement online and an advertisement on an app or an advertisement on a lawn. All 3 serve the same purpose. Spare us the libertarian nonsense and buy some property then you'll understand why this is illegal on about 3 different grounds.
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    Re: S.F. threatens parking app 'MonkeyParking' with lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    OK, so you fine the company and then it reconstitutes itself in Vanuatu while everyone who wants a parking spot and is willing to pay for it just drops dead or what?
    Constituting itself in Vanuatu does not protect it from fines given to it by the city of San Francisco. Do you know how companies work? A company can have its holdings in Timbuktu and it could still be fined in New York City. Hell, people are convicted of terrorism in courts they've never set foot in. Seriously, how old are you?

    You know, you can order illicit drugs on the Internet and have them shipped anywhere you want.
    And yet, that is just as illegal as purchasing it from a dealer on a street corner. Do you understand how laws work?
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    Re: S.F. threatens parking app 'MonkeyParking' with lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    There's never been a better time for piracy. San Francisco is pissing in the wind.
    Those are some good points. I am very low tech and have never even sent a text message. Thus, I was not aware of the technology involved.

    Maybe the Police could consider the parking space "holder" as the illegal "seller"? They then go undercover, solicit for available parking spaces, and fine the local "holders".

    If they keep it as an administrative punishment (infraction ticket) they might not have to prove "beyond a reasonable doubt" that the holder sold the space. Rather, the level of proof of the sale might just need to be "preponderance of the evidence", or "more likely than not".

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    Re: S.F. threatens parking app 'MonkeyParking' with lawsuit

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    Who???????
    Sean Penn movie "milk". He was a regionally famous San Fran politician who got assainated I think back in the 70's.
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    Re: S.F. threatens parking app 'MonkeyParking' with lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Whats to keep me from finding a spot listing and physically blocking the transaction?
    Like I said earlier, personally I'd just put on Spotify or pick up a book and let you sit there while other people made money. Eventually, you'd either move or risk getting a ticket for impeding traffic. Assuming you were stubborn and I had to leave, I'd leave and let you fight it out with the other guy. The Good Lord willing, he'd punch you in the nose and you'd go to jail for being an asswipe.
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    Re: S.F. threatens parking app 'MonkeyParking' with lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Sean Penn movie "milk". He was a regionally famous San Fran politician who got assainated I think back in the 70's.
    I know who he was. I just dont think the blame game extends to him does it?

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