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    Re: S.F. threatens parking app 'MonkeyParking' with lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    Getting paid for telling someone about an available parking spot is hardly equivalent to prostitution. It shouldn't be criminal in any case.
    What about the guy right behind you waiting for the spot?

    You cant sell something somebody can take before your customer gets there. You have to hold it for them.
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    Re: S.F. threatens parking app 'MonkeyParking' with lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Its illegal for good reason. SF parking is already a nightmare, its even worse with jerks deliberately squatting spots in order to try and sell them. If you want to run a paid parking service, you can buy your own land instead of leeching off the public.
    Its kind of like speculation, huh?
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    Re: S.F. threatens parking app 'MonkeyParking' with lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    OK. Let me put it this way: Advertising the availability of a parking spot is not equivalent to advertising prostitution.



    I forgot. This is San Francisco.

    Anyway, why should this be illegal? No one will question my motive if I take a scarce resource, such as a free parking spot in a major city, and just occupy it all day so I can, say, sip lattes at a Starbucks while I listen to Lady Gaga on Spotify. Or what if I want to sell my spot on a public sidewalk outside an Apple store to someone else who wants the latest gadget more than I do? I mean, I don't own the sidewalk, but I'm not selling that. I'm selling time and availability. Should that be illegal as well?

    What this comes down to is public parking is an attempt to turn something that really isn't a public service into one by fiat. It's not a problem when there are plenty of free or low-cost metered or permitted spaces available for everyone. But when there's a scarcity, it becomes a problem, and I can't really fault enterprising capitalists for trying to take advantage of that. It reminds of a tale of two stores when I visited the USSR. On the one hand, you had low-cost state stores for the plebes, with one empty shelf after another. If you were a foreigner (with foreign currency), you had access to another store where you could buy whatever you needed. Many of the goods meant for sale in the plebeian stores inevitably ended up on the black market at a considerably higher price, but at least they were available. A better solution would have been to just let the free market handle it.

    And thus the parking problem. You have a scarcity of public spots because they're so cheap. The problem is everyone wants cheap (or free), but if someone has to pay more to sip their lattes they might take the trolley or bus next time. Thus I see this auction app as attempt to realign supply with demand. I imagine there will be a greater availability of parking in major cities if this thing catches on, but because some people think citizens have a right to free or low-cost **** that other citizens pay for, even where there is a viable private alternative, I imagine there will be resistance.
    It will only be recognized as a! problem when every space has a squatter in it and it costs $20,000 to park a limo.
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    Re: S.F. threatens parking app 'MonkeyParking' with lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    Like I said, when I put coins in a meter, I'm not buying the spot. I'm buying the right to occupy it for a specific period of time. And if I want to "sell" that right for nothing (i.e., give it away), I can do that. (I mean, I never met a liberal who objected to free s***.) But the moment someone wants to sell their right to something because some poor Bohemian may no longer be able to afford the subsidized service and might have to take the bus they get all apoplectic. The market was distorted in the first place by the decision to make a scarce (non-public) service available at an artificially low price, but then they're surprised when a secondary or black market develops for the good or service and try to stamp it out by making it illegal. They really need to stop reading Das Kapital and try a primer on capitalism.
    You know, send the guys with guns to take all the food they were just giving away at the relief truck and then sell the food to those who can pay.

    Capitalism at its finest, right?
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    Re: S.F. threatens parking app 'MonkeyParking' with lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The city owns the spot. You can't sell it. Period.
    No one's selling the property.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Same way you can't rent out an apartment you are renting yourself. The landlord never gave you permission to rent out his property.
    Actually you can, it's called "sub-leasing" and your landlord needs to have a specific clause in your agreement if they don't want you to do it. Some landlords allow it as was the case when I worked power-line in Oklahoma. A company superintendent would rent the apartment/house and then sub-let it to employees as they came and went from the area as the job required. Some tenants in my area want to just rent out a room to collage students.

    Anyway that's all private property under contract, not land open for public use.

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    Re: S.F. threatens parking app 'MonkeyParking' with lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    You know, send the guys with guns to take all the food they were just giving away at the relief truck and then sell the food to those who can pay.

    Capitalism at its finest, right?
    What you're describing is armed robbery. That's criminal, not capitalistic.
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    Re: S.F. threatens parking app 'MonkeyParking' with lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    What about the guy right behind you waiting for the spot?
    He's a moron if he assumes I'm leaving just because I'm in or enter my car. Sometimes I sit in my car for quite some time reading and listening to tunes while my wife shops. If he pissed me off enough, I'd cancel the arrangement and just sit there until he left and then book another one. But if I had to leave I suppose I'd just eat the loss. It certainly wouldn't be worth a confrontation.

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    You cant sell something somebody can take before your customer gets there. You have to hold it for them.
    Right. So I'd arrange to leave when the other guy showed up and not before.
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    Re: S.F. threatens parking app 'MonkeyParking' with lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    What about the guy right behind you waiting for the spot?
    He doesn't get the spot.

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    You cant sell something somebody can take before your customer gets there. You have to hold it for them.
    Right, that's why you hold it for them. Holding the spot for them is the service being sold.

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    Re: S.F. threatens parking app 'MonkeyParking' with lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    You know, send the guys with guns to take all the food they were just giving away at the relief truck and then sell the food to those who can pay.

    Capitalism at its finest, right?
    Public parking = disaster relief truck to you?

    ...but then again it is SF we're talking about....

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    Re: S.F. threatens parking app 'MonkeyParking' with lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Yes, and that right does not include another right of sale whenever you want to. Do you have a right to ignore your lease agreement and rent off your apartment for considerably more than the original lease agreement says? No. Of course not. Seriously, do you own/rent anything? This is getting tedious.
    It's a parking spot, not an apartment; San Francisco doesn't care who puts money in a parking meter as long as it's fed. But now that you mention it, San Francisco is after the apartment renters/owners, too, because websites such as Airbnb have the hotel industry and its union workers in a tizzy:

    This week, the fight has taken a turn for the worse in San Francisco: The city is considering a bill that would allow the city to give financial rewards to people who snoop on their neighbors and report whether and how their are hosting people through Airbnb.

    Airbnb versus San Francisco: The Fight Continues | National Review Online
    San Francisco is a hop, skip, and a jump from the Santa Clara Valley. Plenty of tech-savvy members of the 1% have homes in the area. So I find it ironic (and farcical) that the city is resisting these technologies with all of its might.
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