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    Re: S.F. threatens parking app 'MonkeyParking' with lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    You could say that the app folks are providing a conduit for people selling information concerning the availability of a service. So, yeah, to the extent that the city is trying to stop the free exchange of information it is attempting to stifle free speech.
    But its not just information. These spots are being tied up, held by others until the next party arrives. The city has the right to control the access to the parking.

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    Re: S.F. threatens parking app 'MonkeyParking' with lawsuit

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    Re: S.F. threatens parking app 'MonkeyParking' with lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    Getting paid for telling someone about an available parking spot is hardly equivalent to prostitution. It shouldn't be criminal in any case.
    If information was all it was, I would agree it should be fine. However, for the system to work, someone has to uselessly tie up the parking spot. In the end... do the math... It makes parking even worse for everyone else.

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    Re: S.F. threatens parking app 'MonkeyParking' with lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    What the city needs to understand is that the existence of the app says something is wrong somewhere. Perhaps they need to fix the motivation for the app in some way. A free marketplace will adapt to the way things are. Things apparently aren't good.
    True, but what would your solution be?

    Ever been to downtown San Francisco, driving, parking, etc?

    I have, several time. Such a system makes it even harder to find parking, unless you are will to pay someone holding a space hostage.

    That's what it is. the parking spaces will be held for hostage. It will come to a point where nobody will be able to find parking without the app and paying for it.

    It might not be illegal now, but it is most certainly unethical.

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    Re: S.F. threatens parking app 'MonkeyParking' with lawsuit

    While it does not snow in San Francisco, there is related case law here in Philly and probably other big cities in the northeast. If you clear the snow in a parking space, that doesn't mean that it is your space. There are no "savsies" by using a chair, cone or other obstruction to reserve the parking space from which you removed snow.

    Holding a parking space for a designated heir isn't good either. I look forward to reading better suggestions.

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    Re: S.F. threatens parking app 'MonkeyParking' with lawsuit

    parking is one of the biggest reasons i dislike even visiting big cities. build enough damned ****ing garages or improve public transport. we have to drive to get to your city to spend money. the least you can do is accept the reality that in the US, that requires driving.

    when i worked in a big city in my state, i actually had to pay to park at work, and it was a lot considering what i made at the time.

    as for this particular OP, yeah, a private citizen can't sell public property, even if it is a neat idea. what would result would be a bunch of assholes hogging spaces just to sell them. it's clever, but illegal.

    seriously, just build more parking garages. the initial investment sucks, but i'd be surprised if they didn't eventually pay for themselves several times over.

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    Re: S.F. threatens parking app 'MonkeyParking' with lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    This is hilarious. The progressives in San Francisco can either stifle free speech or permit the capitalists to hold public parking spots hostage for private gain:
    This is the ethical equivalent of buying game-gold. Users would want it to be illegal so that it remained an advantage. If it's legal then you would have to buy it just to keep up, and that drives people away.

    The key to rather or not to use the illegal service it is related to the fine for getting caught. Referring back to game-gold, theoretically you can get banned, but in practice Blizzard just sends you an e-mail asking you not to do it again. If Blizzard actually banned accounts frequently for it, far fewer would do it, but that means no more monthly subscriptions or store customers. Blizzard knows this and thus tolerates a degree of 'illegal' activity to serve the greater good of the company. Likewise if the City laid down a harsh penalty for offenders that could drive away some tax revenues, but a fine as a deterrence through willful compliance would meet with a fair degree of success in reducing the auctioning of parking space.

    Ultimately neither side has a solution to the problem. For that I would suggest smaller cars and thus smaller parking spaces, even motorcycles.

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    Re: S.F. threatens parking app 'MonkeyParking' with lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    parking is one of the biggest reasons i dislike even visiting big cities. build enough damned ****ing garages or improve public transport. we have to drive to get to your city to spend money. the least you can do is accept the reality that in the US, that requires driving.

    when i worked in a big city in my state, i actually had to pay to park at work, and it was a lot considering what i made at the time.

    as for this particular OP, yeah, a private citizen can't sell public property, even if it is a neat idea. what would result would be a bunch of assholes hogging spaces just to sell them. it's clever, but illegal.

    seriously, just build more parking garages. the initial investment sucks, but i'd be surprised if they didn't eventually pay for themselves several times over.
    Thing is, they can't 'just' build more parking garages. Land is scarce in SF and costs a fortune.

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    Re: S.F. threatens parking app 'MonkeyParking' with lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Thing is, they can't 'just' build more parking garages. Land is scarce in SF and costs a fortune.
    probably right. i guess i was thinking more in terms of the big city in my state which actually has solved the problem to a certain extent by building more garages. while parking is expensive, it's usually available now.

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    Re: S.F. threatens parking app 'MonkeyParking' with lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    OK. Let me put it this way: Advertising the availability of a parking spot is not equivalent to advertising prostitution.
    And yet nobody claimed they were. What is stated is that they are illegal for the same reason and that reason is:

    Anyway, why should this be illegal?
    You can't sell/rent out property you don't own to begin with. Thus, advertising an illegal activity is itself illegal.
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