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    Re: S.F. threatens parking app 'MonkeyParking' with lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    Getting paid for telling someone about an available parking spot is hardly equivalent to prostitution.
    No one said they were. What was stated is that advertising prostitution is illegal for the same reason that advertising a parking spot is illegal. The purchaser isn't paying for the information, they are paying for the open parking spot. Likewise, a person isn't paying for the information about where to find prostitutes, they're paying for the prostitutes themselves. That has absolutely nothing to do with free speech and for you to try and play it off like it is shows you really aren't reading what the case is about.

    In short:

    Selling off a parking spot is illegal because at no point does the spot belong to you. Advertising the sale of a parking spot is thus illegal as well.

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    Re: S.F. threatens parking app 'MonkeyParking' with lawsuit

    It says "....auction off a street parking space...." there.

    Maybe its time to do some strategic "double parking".

    Oh, now you want me to move my car so that you can sell/vacate your parking space, that will cost you ten dollars, otherwise I may be a while.

    Unless the street is too narrow to double park or there happens to be a parking enforcement officer(or cop)nearby, what are you gonna do about it?

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    Re: S.F. threatens parking app 'MonkeyParking' with lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    Getting paid for telling someone about an available parking spot is hardly equivalent to prostitution. It shouldn't be criminal in any case.
    it is when you occupy the spot until the person with the winning bid shows up.

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    Re: S.F. threatens parking app 'MonkeyParking' with lawsuit

    Parking lots full of idle people waiting to get paid for public space.

    Sounds like an Occupy event.

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    Re: S.F. threatens parking app 'MonkeyParking' with lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    This is hilarious. The progressives in San Francisco can either stifle free speech or permit the capitalists to hold public parking spots hostage for private gain:
    I think it's a great idea. I hold a parking space with my car and auction the timed removal of my car from that legal parking space to the highest bidder. Heck, that's the American Way! Can't imagine why it would be illegal to auction off moving your car out of a parking space. *shrug*

    SF's probably just mad they didn't think of it first. Think of all those public sector workers they could hire with fabulous pensions to hold spaces!! A liberal's wet dream!!

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    Re: S.F. threatens parking app 'MonkeyParking' with lawsuit

    Its illegal for good reason. SF parking is already a nightmare, its even worse with jerks deliberately squatting spots in order to try and sell them. If you want to run a paid parking service, you can buy your own land instead of leeching off the public.

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    Re: S.F. threatens parking app 'MonkeyParking' with lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    No one said they were. What was stated is that advertising prostitution is illegal for the same reason that advertising a parking spot is illegal.
    OK. Let me put it this way: Advertising the availability of a parking spot is not equivalent to advertising prostitution.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The purchaser isn't paying for the information, they are paying for the open parking spot.
    I forgot. This is San Francisco.

    Anyway, why should this be illegal? No one will question my motive if I take a scarce resource, such as a free parking spot in a major city, and just occupy it all day so I can, say, sip lattes at a Starbucks while I listen to Lady Gaga on Spotify. Or what if I want to sell my spot on a public sidewalk outside an Apple store to someone else who wants the latest gadget more than I do? I mean, I don't own the sidewalk, but I'm not selling that. I'm selling time and availability. Should that be illegal as well?

    What this comes down to is public parking is an attempt to turn something that really isn't a public service into one by fiat. It's not a problem when there are plenty of free or low-cost metered or permitted spaces available for everyone. But when there's a scarcity, it becomes a problem, and I can't really fault enterprising capitalists for trying to take advantage of that. It reminds of a tale of two stores when I visited the USSR. On the one hand, you had low-cost state stores for the plebes, with one empty shelf after another. If you were a foreigner (with foreign currency), you had access to another store where you could buy whatever you needed. Many of the goods meant for sale in the plebeian stores inevitably ended up on the black market at a considerably higher price, but at least they were available. A better solution would have been to just let the free market handle it.

    And thus the parking problem. You have a scarcity of public spots because they're so cheap. The problem is everyone wants cheap (or free), but if someone has to pay more to sip their lattes they might take the trolley or bus next time. Thus I see this auction app as attempt to realign supply with demand. I imagine there will be a greater availability of parking in major cities if this thing catches on, but because some people think citizens have a right to free or low-cost **** that other citizens pay for, even where there is a viable private alternative, I imagine there will be resistance.
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    Re: S.F. threatens parking app 'MonkeyParking' with lawsuit

    What the city needs to understand is that the existence of the app says something is wrong somewhere. Perhaps they need to fix the motivation for the app in some way. A free marketplace will adapt to the way things are. Things apparently aren't good.

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    Re: S.F. threatens parking app 'MonkeyParking' with lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    What the city needs to understand is that the existence of the app says something is wrong somewhere. Perhaps they need to fix the motivation for the app in some way. A free marketplace will adapt to the way things are. Things apparently aren't good.
    The problem is you have a collision between people who are married to their cars and a densely populated city with some of the most expensive real estate in the country. You can't have free or cheap parking in such a place. It's like trying to defy gravity.
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    Re: S.F. threatens parking app 'MonkeyParking' with lawsuit

    People are so freaking lazy. I can't believe someone would pay $20.00 for information and then parking when they can most likely get another one for free or less money a little farther away. I don't know about San Francisco but most of the major cities I've been to have parking garages that charge less than that but you might have to walk a little further. Maybe I'm just cheap and not lazy but I couldn't imagine using an app like that. I'm the one who will park 5 blocks away to save $8.00.
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