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    Re: S.F. threatens parking app 'MonkeyParking' with lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    The parking garages in SF are insane. Some of the most expensive parking I have ever paid for. The kicker? Many of them are owned by the City itself. The city is the one charging such high prices.

    But none of that is relevant to the legality of holding parking spaces and selling them to other people. In order to sell a parking space, you have to own that space. The people using this app do not own the streets or the parking spaces. Simple as that.
    This. The technological ability to do it is completely irrelevant.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: S.F. threatens parking app 'MonkeyParking' with lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    This. The technological ability to do it is completely irrelevant.
    By the laws posted earlier, it appears SF can crack down on them. Just arm the police with the apps used, and go hunting for these profiteers who sell city parking. Once citations are issued making it a loss rather than profit, it will be deterred.

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    Re: S.F. threatens parking app 'MonkeyParking' with lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    By the laws posted earlier, it appears SF can crack down on them. Just arm the police with the apps used, and go hunting for these profiteers who sell city parking. Once citations are issued making it a loss rather than profit, it will be deterred.
    Marked or unmarked cars? (Which would you do?, I mean.)

    I like this idea, btw. They just need to make sure any fines are at least 5x what they're likely to get. It doesn't have to be much, nor should it, just enough to make it seriously unprofitable.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: S.F. threatens parking app 'MonkeyParking' with lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    This is hilarious. The progressives in San Francisco can either stifle free speech or permit the capitalists to hold public parking spots hostage for private gain:
    This amounts to collusion. There is nothing justifiable about it. This business does not own the roads so therefor have no right to make them unavailable to those unwilling to pay for their scam.

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    Re: S.F. threatens parking app 'MonkeyParking' with lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Marked or unmarked cars? (Which would you do?, I mean.)

    I like this idea, btw. They just need to make sure any fines are at least 5x what they're likely to get. It doesn't have to be much, nor should it, just enough to make it seriously unprofitable.
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    We simply will not agree. I hope the SF PD gets Parking monkey on their phones, drive around in unmarked cars, and ticket or jail people for holding public parking hostage.

    I'm going to write them a letter suggesting just that.

    What was the listed fines available?

    The city can make several thousand a day per police officer I bet, bidding for the spots and taking out the offenders...

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    Re: S.F. threatens parking app 'MonkeyParking' with lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    Post 120:

    We simply will not agree. I hope the SF PD gets Parking monkey on their phones, drive around in unmarked cars, and ticket or jail people for holding public parking hostage.

    I'm going to write them a letter suggesting just that.

    What was the listed fines available?

    The city can make several thousand a day per police officer I bet, bidding for the spots and taking out the offenders...
    Huh? On what do we not agree? I thought I was agreeing with you.

    My only disagreement would be jail time. Fines would be sufficient. This isn't jail worthy.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: S.F. threatens parking app 'MonkeyParking' with lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Huh? On what do we not agree? I thought I was agreeing with you.

    My only disagreement would be jail time. Fines would be sufficient. This isn't jail worthy.
    I'm sorry, I was simply trying to point out I already address the marked/unmarked car question you had.

    As for jail time, what do you do with repeat offenders?

    What if someone racks up 3 to 5 tickets a day, considering it a joke, and that they can just laugh at our laws?

    I think this would be the way SF will go. The pay with the pay pal or what ever feature used say $20 a spot. The go to the location and write the person a $300 ticket. they could make a whole day doing this, and deter the practice as the news gets wind of it. Now that this money paid for illegal activity is through a host site, they are complicit in the crime, and they can take the site to court as well, shutting it down nationwide.

    I suspect if PM doesn't comply with the SF request, they will do just that.

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    Re: S.F. threatens parking app 'MonkeyParking' with lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    In order to sell a parking space, you have to own that space. The people using this app do not own the streets or the parking spaces. Simple as that.
    Yes, in order to sell a parking spot you have to own it. But the people "selling" these spots are not selling the real estate. In order for that to happen, they must have transferable title and they must have a valid sales contract (i.e., it must be in writing, consideration of some sort must be exchanged, and there must be a "meeting of the minds" between buyer and seller). So it's a bit of a misnomer to call what is happening here a "sale" of public property. It's not.

    What the "Monkeys" are selling is information concerning when they choose NOT to occupy public parking spots, which I think they have every right to do, notwithstanding the howls of protest to the contrary.
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    Re: S.F. threatens parking app 'MonkeyParking' with lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    Yes, in order to sell a parking spot you have to own it. But the people "selling" these spots are not selling the real estate. In order for that to happen, they must have transferable title and they must have a valid sales contract (i.e., it must be in writing, consideration of some sort must be exchanged, and there must be a "meeting of the minds" between buyer and seller). So it's a bit of a misnomer to call what is happening here a "sale" of public property. It's not.

    What the "Monkeys" are selling is information concerning when they choose NOT to occupy public parking spots, which I think they have every right to do, notwithstanding the howls of protest to the contrary.
    Bull scheit. You're spinning. You're lying by omission. If they were only selling information, they'd sell the info then leave. Are they doing that? No, they're not. They're staying and waiting until the high bidder gets there then they release the space only to them. Hence, they are selling exclusive rights to park in a space that does not belong to them.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: S.F. threatens parking app 'MonkeyParking' with lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    The seller (of the info) has a right to occupy the spot. He also has a right to vacate the spot when he chooses to vacate it. As far as the buyer having exclusive rights to it, I don't think anyone is making that claim; a "buyer" can only enforce his claim to the same extent as any other driver, with the general operating principle in such matters being "The early bird gets the worm."
    Do you honestly believe that? Why else would the buyer buy?

    Think about it.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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