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    Re: S.F. threatens parking app 'MonkeyParking' with lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    Normally I would disagree with the city on matters like this. For example, I fully support Lyft, Uber, and Airbnb. In this instance, however, I agree with the city. People have no right to sell public parking spaces owned by the city.
    But then to effectively stop this the city has to say that one person doesn't have the right to inform another person for money about a spot becoming vacant.
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    Re: S.F. threatens parking app 'MonkeyParking' with lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    But then to effectively stop this the city has to say that one person doesn't have the right to inform another person for money about a spot becoming vacant.
    The part you're (intentionally?) leaving out is that they're not simply informing other people of an available spot, they're literally holding it for them and will not let anybody else in. You can spin it however you want, and you can leave out the inconvenient parts, but that's the difference between selling information and selling the spot.
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    Re: S.F. threatens parking app 'MonkeyParking' with lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    It's one thing, and I still disagree with it, to wait and hold a public parking space until someone pays you to leave, but it's magnitudes worse yet where someone can do like Ahlevah posts in #144.
    You know, for someone who's unemployed and needs to put food on the table I can think of worse things he could be doing. If he saves me time, I'd gladly pay the five, ten, or twenty bucks.
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    Re: S.F. threatens parking app 'MonkeyParking' with lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    The part you're (intentionally?) leaving out is that they're not simply informing other people of an available spot, they're literally holding it for them and will not let anybody else in. You can spin it however you want, and you can leave out the inconvenient parts, but that's the difference between selling information and selling the spot.
    And how does the city enforce one part (preventing "selling" of a spot) without preventing the first (the communication)? Like I said earlier, they may get a judge to pull the plug on Monkey Parking, but they can not stop people from exchanging information and having one party hold a spot for another party. All they need is a phone and a PayPal account.
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    Re: S.F. threatens parking app 'MonkeyParking' with lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    And how does the city enforce one part (preventing "selling" of a spot) without preventing the first (the communication)? Like I said earlier, they may get a judge to pull the plug on Monkey Parking, but they can not stop people from exchanging information and having one party hold a spot for another party. All they need is a phone and a PayPal account.
    Are you saying that lack of ability to enforce equals complicit approval?
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: S.F. threatens parking app 'MonkeyParking' with lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Are you saying that lack of ability to enforce equals complicit approval?
    I'm saying that the only way they can stop people from holding spots is to silence them, because I see no practical way to prevent a car from doing what the spot is intended for, i.e. parking. After all, when you're not moving and holding the spot for another driver, all the cop sees is that you're parked and then you're leaving, which is what people normally do anyway. But then good luck with silencing people, too.
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    Re: S.F. threatens parking app 'MonkeyParking' with lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    But then to effectively stop this the city has to say that one person doesn't have the right to inform another person for money about a spot becoming vacant.
    No problem.

    The announce the spot will become available, and leave. First come first serve.

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    Re: S.F. threatens parking app 'MonkeyParking' with lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    No problem.

    The announce the spot will become available, and leave. First come first serve.
    Well, it is a problem, because, whether MonkeyParking exists or not, there is a financial incentive for people to "sell" spots semi-anonymously using modern communications technology. Trust me. If the city is successful at shutting these guys down, something will take its place.
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    Re: S.F. threatens parking app 'MonkeyParking' with lawsuit

    One more thing. A reasonable person could ask who has a vested financial interest in shutting these guys down? Of course, the interests that own for-profit parking garages. If there's a (cheaper) alternative to their service I can see how they might ask the (elected) city attorney to intervene. Just wonderin'.
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    Re: S.F. threatens parking app 'MonkeyParking' with lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    One more thing. A reasonable person could ask who has a vested financial interest in shutting these guys down? Of course, the interests that own for-profit parking garages. If there's a (cheaper) alternative to their service I can see how they might ask the (elected) city attorney to intervene. Just wonderin'.
    The parking garages in SF are insane. Some of the most expensive parking I have ever paid for. The kicker? Many of them are owned by the City itself. The city is the one charging such high prices.

    But none of that is relevant to the legality of holding parking spaces and selling them to other people. In order to sell a parking space, you have to own that space. The people using this app do not own the streets or the parking spaces. Simple as that.
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