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    Re: S.F. threatens parking app 'MonkeyParking' with lawsuit

    One more thing. Don't you see an irony in a supposedly forward-looking, progressive city like San Francisco clinging to subsidies for an inefficient, polluting relic of the 20th Century called the personal passenger automobile? In a densely populated city like that you'd think they'd be charging more for parking (by selling permits and increasing meter rates to reflect market realities) to subsidize trolley and bus tickets. Then the need for phone apps like MonkeyParking wouldn't be nearly as urgent. And wouldn't that solution be better for the planet?
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    Re: S.F. threatens parking app 'MonkeyParking' with lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    One more thing. Don't you see an irony in a supposedly forward-looking, progressive city like San Francisco clinging to subsidies for an inefficient, polluting relic of the 20th Century called the personal passenger automobile? In a densely populated city like that you'd think they'd be charging more for parking (by selling permits and increasing meter rates to reflect market realities) to subsidize trolley and bus tickets. Then the need for phone apps like MonkeyParking wouldn't be nearly as urgent. And wouldn't that solution be better for the planet?
    Being a progressive city, are you suggesting their cost of living isn't already high enough?

    Have you ever been there?

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    Re: S.F. threatens parking app 'MonkeyParking' with lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    Being a progressive city, are you suggesting their cost of living isn't already high enough?

    Have you ever been there?
    Are you digesting what I'm writing? I'm saying get the cars off the roads by removing the parking subsidies and use the increased revenues to subsidize mass transit.
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    Re: S.F. threatens parking app 'MonkeyParking' with lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    Are you digesting what I'm writing? I'm saying get the cars off the roads by removing the parking subsidies and use the increased revenues to subsidize mass transit.
    Parking subsidies?

    What are you talking about?

    The only parking subsidies I know of in SF are those at park and ride locations. This is in effect a mass transit subsidy, not parking subsidy, because that's what it reduces the cost of.

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    Re: S.F. threatens parking app 'MonkeyParking' with lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    Parking subsidies?

    What are you talking about?
    Free parking and meter rates below the market rates for parking spots in private garages. One reason private rates are so high is public rates are so low. Lower the number of cars coming into the city and rates will drop overall.
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    Re: S.F. threatens parking app 'MonkeyParking' with lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    Free parking and meter rates below the market rates for parking spots in private garages. One reason private rates are so high is public rates are so low. Lower the number of cars coming into the city and rates will drop overall.
    You want to regulate private rights?

    Do you understand supply and demand pricing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    You want to regulate private rights?

    Do you understand supply and demand pricing?
    No. They can charge whatever the market will bear. Right now, the market will bear a relatively high price because there's a relative scarcity of cheap public spots. It's similar to my example of two stores in the USSR; there was the cheap option with empty shelves for the peons, and the expensive but abundant option for people with foreign currency.

    Anyway, if you raise the cost of public parking you'd reduce the relative scarcity of parking overall because some people simply wouldn't or couldn't pay the unsubsidized rate. They'd start walking, riding a bike, carpooling, or taking the bus or trolley. Under that scenario the private garages would have to adjust to the new market reality and reduce their rates.
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    Re: S.F. threatens parking app 'MonkeyParking' with lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    No. They can charge whatever the market will bear. Right now, the market will bear a relatively high price because there's a relative scarcity of cheap public spots. It's similar to my example of two stores in the USSR; there was the cheap option with empty shelves for the peons, and the expensive but abundant option for people with foreign currency.

    Anyway, if you raise the cost of public parking you'd reduce the relative scarcity of parking overall because some people simply wouldn't or couldn't pay the unsubsidized rate. They'd start walking, riding a bike, carpooling, or taking the bus or trolley. Under that scenario the private garages would have to adjust to the new market reality and reduce their rates.
    Most parking meter rates in SF are already $2.00 to $3.50 per hour. I don't know what parking structures cost, but I'm OK with raising the prices. You, however, claimed they were subsidized.

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    Re: S.F. threatens parking app 'MonkeyParking' with lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    Most parking meter rates in SF are already $2.00 to $3.50 per hour. I don't know what parking structures cost, but I'm OK with raising the prices. You, however, claimed they were subsidized.
    Actually, that's not bad for a city with a severe parking problem. I see rates on the Internet from about $2 to more than $15 per hour, depending on location. That's for a Friday evening. I know when I found that spot across from the Maritime Museum right on the Bay near Fisherman's Wharf it was free. That was on a Thursday afternoon. I guess I was just lucky. But I don't imagine those were the only free spots in the city.
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    Re: S.F. threatens parking app 'MonkeyParking' with lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    Actually, that's not bad for a city with a severe parking problem. I see rates on the Internet from about $2 to more than $15 per hour, depending on location. That's for a Friday evening. I know when I found that spot across from the Maritime Museum right on the Bay near Fisherman's Wharf it was free. That was on a Thursday afternoon. I guess I was just lucky. But I don't imagine those were the only free spots in the city.
    If I recall, we have some paring spots in Portland near events that go as high as $30/hr. SF probably does the same thing. The up to $3.00/hr was most... Not All.

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