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    Re: U.S. Memo Outlines Rationale for Drone Strikes on Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The "government" can't be trusted.
    And yet, what choice do we have? Our 'government' is bound by our Constitution of protect the American citizenry.

    Besides, they get pissy if we try and protect ourselves.
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    Re: U.S. Memo Outlines Rationale for Drone Strikes on Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    But that hasn't anything to do with drones, civilian casualties and the lack of due process.
    No war, no drones, no civilian casualties. As for the American Terrorist in Yemen, in situations like this the same folks hollaring about due process of law etc because he was taken are the same ones who would be hollaring the loudest against us if he went on to commit a terrorist act which killed a bunch of Americans, they would now be demanding to know why something wasn't done to prevent this or this guy wasn't killed when we had the chance.
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    Re: U.S. Memo Outlines Rationale for Drone Strikes on Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    And yet, what choice do we have? Our 'government' is bound by our Constitution of protect the American citizenry.

    Besides, they get pissy if we try and protect ourselves.
    Good point. Unfortunately, there are too many examples of our government failing to honour the constitution, both parties. I don't trust a skeletal few politicians declaring an individual an enemy combatant and taking him out on less than desirable intell on the ground (without our traditional due process) which more often than not overlooks the funeral, wedding, back yard barbecue or farmers market adjacent to the strike zone, which only provokes further animosity amongst those we are suppose to be serving. Fourteen years of failed US policy in the ME, and the fact that no country in the region is in better shape since our post 9/11 operations there should be proof enough for all that we have failed, hugely. I agree with your second point.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: U.S. Memo Outlines Rationale for Drone Strikes on Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    No war, no drones, no civilian casualties. As for the American Terrorist in Yemen, in situations like this the same folks hollaring about due process of law etc because he was taken are the same ones who would be hollaring the loudest against us if he went on to commit a terrorist act which killed a bunch of Americans, they would now be demanding to know why something wasn't done to prevent this or this guy wasn't killed when we had the chance.
    That's not me Pero. I'm not afraid of terrorist attacks!! I'm afraid of US failed foreign policy in the region that breeds contempt for the US in the first place. There's only three Americans left that believes the stale Bush rhetoric that they hate us for our values, morals, Starbucks and Grammies.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: U.S. Memo Outlines Rationale for Drone Strikes on Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I have no problem with it. Regardless of where one is born, if they are a terrorist and an enemy of the United States, targeting them overseas is just fine with me.
    Why just overseas? Heck, they captured the "terrist" in Benghazi. I suppose they should have drilled him with a Reaper, but there wouldn't be as much to play with in the media, eh?

    If the govt says somebody is a bad guy, terrist, then BY GOD it must be true.

    They should take out those bad guys anywhere, including in Detroit City or Dallas-Fort Worth. Who needs a freakin' trial?

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    Re: U.S. Memo Outlines Rationale for Drone Strikes on Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    And yet, what choice do we have? Our 'government' is bound by our Constitution of protect the American citizenry.

    Besides, they get pissy if we try and protect ourselves.
    The government is bound by the Constitution? In which dimension is that the case?

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    Re: U.S. Memo Outlines Rationale for Drone Strikes on Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    That's not me Pero. I'm not afraid of terrorist attacks!! I'm afraid of US failed foreign policy in the region that breeds contempt for the US in the first place. There's only three Americans left that believes the stale Bush rhetoric that they hate us for our values, morals, Starbucks and Grammies.
    I did take pains not to use the word you as I know I made a general statement. But I have seen that happen time and again. I had been a military man all my life and I have seen that hollering happen time and time again. As a military man one doesn't worry about why such and such hates us or is trying to kill you, your job is to kill him first to prevent him from killing you or others. That too is a blanket statement.

    I have found out throughout my long life that some religious leaders are the most hate filled and the most willing to kill others who do not believe in their religion or their sect of their religion or even as small as their own little church. These leaders gather followers and soon their followers believe the same as them. After awhile you have an army or a real big group will to go forth to kill anyone who doesn't believe the exact same as they do.

    For these people above, they don't hate us because we are free or have Starbucks or McDonald's or our values, which they think our values are decedent. They simply hate us because we do not believe in their religion, the exact sect, church or their on individual interpretation of their religion. It is not just us, it is everyone to include people who believe in their religion, but not as these leaders interpret it and believe it should be practiced. We are the big boys on the block, the one that stands out the most, thus the most hated. These folks, their hearts and minds can't be won as they won't be satisfied until everyone is either converted to believe exactly as they do or are dead.

    One has to recognize that this type of people exist and are the ones who have caused what is going on to happen. We could pull out of the Middle East today, completely and that wouldn't stop the folks I mentioned above from continuing to target us. Us being there is a handy excuse and if we weren't, they would find another. Most Muslims don't care what others believe or what we believe or what our values are. But a charismatic leaders in inspire them to hate us and any to kill others who don't believe as they. Look at Hitler and what he did. He wasn't religious, but he did inspire the Germans right into WWII.

    From almost the beginning of time or since man first set foot on the earth this type of thing has been going on. Man is a warlike creature, man for some reason has to have others or want other to think, believe the same way they do. If you don't your are an enemy, an outsider, someone who needs to be converted or killed. The causes, reasons, could be religion, political, greed, jealously, or a thousand other reasons. This is just the nature of man.

    As for the wars, I thought Iraq was a mistake, Afghanistan warranted. But it was with nation building that we erred. Big time, but that is another subject for another thread for another day.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: U.S. Memo Outlines Rationale for Drone Strikes on Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I did take pains not to use the word you as I know I made a general statement. But I have seen that happen time and again. I had been a military man all my life and I have seen that hollering happen time and time again. As a military man one doesn't worry about why such and such hates us or is trying to kill you, your job is to kill him first to prevent him from killing you or others. That too is a blanket statement.

    I have found out throughout my long life that some religious leaders are the most hate filled and the most willing to kill others who do not believe in their religion or their sect of their religion or even as small as their own little church. These leaders gather followers and soon their followers believe the same as them. After awhile you have an army or a real big group will to go forth to kill anyone who doesn't believe the exact same as they do.

    For these people above, they don't hate us because we are free or have Starbucks or McDonald's or our values, which they think our values are decedent. They simply hate us because we do not believe in their religion, the exact sect, church or their on individual interpretation of their religion. It is not just us, it is everyone to include people who believe in their religion, but not as these leaders interpret it and believe it should be practiced. We are the big boys on the block, the one that stands out the most, thus the most hated. These folks, their hearts and minds can't be won as they won't be satisfied until everyone is either converted to believe exactly as they do or are dead.

    One has to recognize that this type of people exist and are the ones who have caused what is going on to happen. We could pull out of the Middle East today, completely and that wouldn't stop the folks I mentioned above from continuing to target us. Us being there is a handy excuse and if we weren't, they would find another. Most Muslims don't care what others believe or what we believe or what our values are. But a charismatic leaders in inspire them to hate us and any to kill others who don't believe as they. Look at Hitler and what he did. He wasn't religious, but he did inspire the Germans right into WWII.

    From almost the beginning of time or since man first set foot on the earth this type of thing has been going on. Man is a warlike creature, man for some reason has to have others or want other to think, believe the same way they do. If you don't your are an enemy, an outsider, someone who needs to be converted or killed. The causes, reasons, could be religion, political, greed, jealously, or a thousand other reasons. This is just the nature of man.

    As for the wars, I thought Iraq was a mistake, Afghanistan warranted. But it was with nation building that we erred. Big time, but that is another subject for another thread for another day.
    Have you ever considered that they might hate us because we invaded their country and destroyed it? That we kill their people for no reason at all?

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    Re: U.S. Memo Outlines Rationale for Drone Strikes on Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Why just overseas? Heck, they captured the "terrist" in Benghazi. I suppose they should have drilled him with a Reaper, but there wouldn't be as much to play with in the media, eh?

    If the govt says somebody is a bad guy, terrist, then BY GOD it must be true.

    They should take out those bad guys anywhere, including in Detroit City or Dallas-Fort Worth. Who needs a freakin' trial?
    So many people act like these guys just robbed a liquor store in downtown Detroit. United States Criminal laws applies to those withing the borders of the United States. Not in Libya, these guys are not your friendly little town hoodlums.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: U.S. Memo Outlines Rationale for Drone Strikes on Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Good point. Unfortunately, there are too many examples of our government failing to honour the constitution, both parties. I don't trust a skeletal few politicians declaring an individual an enemy combatant and taking him out on less than desirable intell on the ground (without our traditional due process) which more often than not overlooks the funeral, wedding, back yard barbecue or farmers market adjacent to the strike zone, which only provokes further animosity amongst those we are suppose to be serving. Fourteen years of failed US policy in the ME, and the fact that no country in the region is in better shape since our post 9/11 operations there should be proof enough for all that we have failed, hugely. I agree with your second point.
    I agree. The entire Islamic world has not change at all. It's likely gotten more fierce and brutal, with more resolve. There will come a time when the Islamic world and the west butt heads in a major way.
    32 “Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. 33 But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.
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