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    Re: U.S. Memo Outlines Rationale for Drone Strikes on Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    I don't see this as the same situation. A person committing a lethal act should be dealt with. A guy who is doing a weird desert obstacle course or sitting around a campfire saying the US sucks isn't reason to hit him with a air strike.
    Oh, the situations are structurally different, indeed. But, while the domestic criminal could be isolated and "smoked out" in some way or another, the guy planing attacks on US and its allies assets and citizens that sends bombs to execute these plans, cannot be prevented from further murder by the domestically feasible methods. So you are actually proposing that these people should be allowed further mass murder, because they are Americans. I do not think that is okay.

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    Re: U.S. Memo Outlines Rationale for Drone Strikes on Citizens

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    For those of you like me who refuse to join or sign in to the WSJ, the same article is here (Reuters) - Court releases memo of U.S. justifying drone attacks on citizens

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    Re: U.S. Memo Outlines Rationale for Drone Strikes on Citizens

    This seems like a violation of the 5th Amendment, to me. I wonder how long it will be before someone figures out a way to violate the 3rd Amendment. That's the only one I can think of that hasn't been violated in modern times.

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    Re: U.S. Memo Outlines Rationale for Drone Strikes on Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Oh, the situations are structurally different, indeed. But, while the domestic criminal could be isolated and "smoked out" in some way or another, the guy planing attacks on US and its allies assets and citizens that sends bombs to execute these plans, cannot be prevented from further murder by the domestically feasible methods. So you are actually proposing that these people should be allowed further mass murder, because they are Americans. I do not think that is okay.
    I don't think it is ok to mass murder Americans. I don't see them as having a real ability to mass murder Americans. Americans are typically in America. Unless he is launching missile strikes, he has to launch or have someone launch that attack in America.

    We have done a fairly good job of policing this stuff up. The biggest terrorists in American society right now seem to be teenagers.
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    Re: U.S. Memo Outlines Rationale for Drone Strikes on Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Is the person really a terrorist, or are you content to just take the government's word for it? This is why trial by a jury is ingrained into our Constitution.
    Although if an attack is imminent and a drone could take out the threat, I would allow the government to go Jack Bauer on their asses.
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    Re: U.S. Memo Outlines Rationale for Drone Strikes on Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    ....I don't see them as having a real ability to mass murder Americans. Americans are typically in America.
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    I am afraid I must point out that both statements are absolutely wrong or wrong headed. That might have queered your view. I hope that was it.

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    Re: U.S. Memo Outlines Rationale for Drone Strikes on Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I am afraid I must point out that both statements are absolutely wrong or wrong headed. That might have queered your view. I hope that was it.
    I don't see it.
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    Re: U.S. Memo Outlines Rationale for Drone Strikes on Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    From what I understand Anwar al-Awlaki was an American killed by a drone strike in Yemen and he hadn't killed anyone nor made any of the plans that killed anyone. They just said he was thinking about doing it and that he talked a lot of ****.

    He was essentially the Jihadist Jane Fonda.
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    Re: U.S. Memo Outlines Rationale for Drone Strikes on Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Although if an attack is imminent and a drone could take out the threat, I would allow the government to go Jack Bauer on their asses.
    I really want to agree to that. If our representatives approved it, I could support that.
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    Re: U.S. Memo Outlines Rationale for Drone Strikes on Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Although if an attack is imminent and a drone could take out the threat, I would allow the government to go Jack Bauer on their asses.
    The government has declared many an imminent threat and gone Jack Bauer often, and unnecessarily enough. The "government" can't be trusted.
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