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    Re: U.S. Memo Outlines Rationale for Drone Strikes on Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    HE DID. Amazing how short people's memories are.
    Ain't it? I guess they don't remember Cheney arguing for the Unitarian Executive and how Bush did far more signing statements than Obama has whilst bitching about Obama's signing statements. Brains have definitely been washed clean of even the most recent history apparently.
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    Re: U.S. Memo Outlines Rationale for Drone Strikes on Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    From what I understand Anwar al-Awlaki was an American killed by a drone strike in Yemen and he hadn't killed anyone nor made any of the plans that killed anyone. They just said he was thinking about doing it and that he talked a lot of ****.
    It might be the military in me taking charge, but I really do not care of what nationality a terrorist is. The idea is to get them first before they do harm to the USA or any of her people.
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    Re: U.S. Memo Outlines Rationale for Drone Strikes on Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    The ACA. Signed into law with deadlines. Law, meaning, in print, these are the timelines. Without congress involved, without their approval, several of the timetables in the law were overridden/ignored. Is that 'reputable', or do you deny it happened?
    The ACA was passed by both houses of the congress and you argue that it was all executive authority that did it. Amazing thought process there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    It might be the military in me taking charge, but I really do not care of what nationality a terrorist is. The idea is to get them first before they do hard to the USA or any of her people.
    Ok but who defines who is a terrorist? Some appointed bureaucrat with no evidence needed. Like I said, it's like Bush and Gitmo.

    Bush apologists... "There are only terrorists in Gitmo."
    Logical people... "How do you know they are terrorists?"
    Bush apologists... "Because they are in Gitmo."
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    Re: U.S. Memo Outlines Rationale for Drone Strikes on Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    The ACA was passed by both houses of the congress and you argue that it was all executive authority that did it. Amazing thought process there.
    Thanks for showing you do not actually read what is said.

    Let me type slower, maybe you will be able to follow.

    The ACA was signed into law.

    The LAW contained certain deadlines for actions.

    It was determined some of the actions could not be done per the timeline the LAW set forth.

    The executive branch overrode those timelines.

    Who has the authority to modify/change laws?
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    Re: U.S. Memo Outlines Rationale for Drone Strikes on Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    Thanks for showing you do not actually read what is said.

    Let me type slower, maybe you will be able to follow.

    The ACA was signed into law.

    The LAW contained certain deadlines for actions.

    It was determined some of the actions could not be done per the timeline the LAW set forth.

    The executive branch overrode those timelines.

    Who has the authority to modify/change laws?
    Section 3: Presidential responsibilities

    he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and shall Commission all the Officers of the United States.

    Once the law is passed, congress tends to give the executive branch some leeway in implementing what was once just paper into what is now reality because they can't predict all the rough patches in transition from that paper to reality.

    The White House keeps changing Obamacare. Is that legal?

    In 1946, legislators passed the Administrative Procedures Act, which governs the way that regulatory agencies carry out legislation. That law both gives agencies discretion in setting up laws, but holds them accountable for carrying out Congressís intentions.
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    Re: U.S. Memo Outlines Rationale for Drone Strikes on Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    I have no doubt he and every other president has to some extent. How many signed a bill into law, then turned around and without congress changed that law? Or refused to enforce it?
    Bush holds the gold medal for this...

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    Re: U.S. Memo Outlines Rationale for Drone Strikes on Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Ok but who defines who is a terrorist? Some appointed bureaucrat with no evidence needed. Like I said, it's like Bush and Gitmo.

    Bush apologists... "There are only terrorists in Gitmo."
    Logical people... "How do you know they are terrorists?"
    Bush apologists... "Because they are in Gitmo."
    On some of this stuff you are in a catch 22 situation, damned if you do and damned if you don't. 30% of all Gitmo detainees set free have returned to the battlefield to fight us again. So as an ex-military man I say just keep the entire lot there. But then someone will say 70% were innocent and did no harm to anyone. But then I say, but you are still are setting free 30% who returned to the battlefield to kill me and my fellow soldiers. So the mindset of a military man becomes harden to the fact there is a certain group, a segment of the population who want to turn those in Gitmo free so the can come back to Afghanistan and kill you.

    Then there are those who are hollering now about killing this supposedly American terrorist now who would be hollering at us for not killing him when we had the chance if he did come back to the U.S. and blow up a bunch of people, buildings or whatever. It's a no win situation.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: U.S. Memo Outlines Rationale for Drone Strikes on Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    On some of this stuff you are in a catch 22 situation, damned if you do and damned if you don't. 30% of all Gitmo detainees set free have returned to the battlefield to fight us again. So as an ex-military man I say just keep the entire lot there. But then someone will say 70% were innocent and did no harm to anyone. But then I say, but you are still are setting free 30% who returned to the battlefield to kill me and my fellow soldiers. So the mindset of a military man becomes harden to the fact there is a certain group, a segment of the population who want to turn those in Gitmo free so the can come back to Afghanistan and kill you.

    Then there are those who are hollering now about killing this supposedly American terrorist now who would be hollering at us for not killing him when we had the chance if he did come back to the U.S. and blow up a bunch of people, buildings or whatever. It's a no win situation.
    It's a clear situation however of whether or not we want to be a nation of laws or a nation of people making arbitrary rules on a whim.
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    Re: U.S. Memo Outlines Rationale for Drone Strikes on Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I have no problem with it. Regardless of where one is born, if they are a terrorist and an enemy of the United States, targeting them overseas is just fine with me.
    It's the process that's of main concern, no?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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