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    Re: Central American migrants are on a word-of-mouth exodus to the U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    I don't think there's anything innate that keeps the people of Mexico from building a world-class country. They're already so hard working they put most of us to shame. I think the government needs to deal with corruption and we both need to deal with out respective drug problems; us as customers and them as suppliers. I think making English a second language taught every year in schools would be super beneficial considering their success would largely depend upon a strong relationship with America. Plus American acculturation with several English American radio and TV stations simulcast in every Mexican city and North American (US) Civics and History taught throughout school years.
    That's always been the real problem yet many are fearful, it seems, of pointing out the obvious. I spend a great deal of time in Central America, i have business there, and the culture of corruption is casually accepted because it has always been there. If these countries adopted the US Constitution and Bill of Rights the improvements would show quite quickly because, as you say, these people do work very hard. They also need rid themselves of their foolish Napoleonic laws which, naturally, the lawyers would be against. They may have to follow Shakespeare's advice on them also.

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    Re: Central American migrants are on a word-of-mouth exodus to the U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by MasterLiberty View Post
    Would it be a violation of the Geneva Convention to consider this mass migration even though it is largely by independant minds, an act of war (Invasion)?
    Good grief.

    There is no "invasion" and no "war." Immigrants have been coming to the US for well over a century, usually accompanied by inflammatory and hateful reactions by other immigrants -- who just got here a few decades before the more recent arrivals.



    ? If so could we declare 'War?' on illegal immigrants? We have a big enough military and advanced enough weaponry to shoot down anyone trying to come into our country. Our reason for war? Economic subterfuge by illegals placing a heavy burden on the american system and a technical "invasion" of residents of those country into ours. Thoughts?[/QUOTE]

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    Re: Central American migrants are on a word-of-mouth exodus to the U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    Good grief.

    There is no "invasion" and no "war." Immigrants have been coming to the US for well over a century, usually accompanied by inflammatory and hateful reactions by other immigrants -- who just got here a few decades before the more recent arrivals.



    ? If so could we declare 'War?' on illegal immigrants? We have a big enough military and advanced enough weaponry to shoot down anyone trying to come into our country. Our reason for war? Economic subterfuge by illegals placing a heavy burden on the american system and a technical "invasion" of residents of those country into ours. Thoughts?
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    "Immigrant" and "Illegal Migrant" are two different things. Illegal Migrants should be treated like invaders because they damage the viability of our economy and increase demands for jobs, which decreases jobs available to actual Citizens and LEGAL IMMIGRANTS in this country. I have no problem with people who Legally Immigrate here just like my ancestors did and yours did.

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    Re: Central American migrants are on a word-of-mouth exodus to the U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    Just requiring Citizenship/ID for ANY Job in the USA
    Uh, yeah, that's already a requirement.


    Any Business hiring an illegal should face $5000/$10000/JAIL penalties.
    2nd offense can already be $5000, 3rd offense can already be $10k. Harboring an illegal immigrant can already mean jail time.

    What else ya got?


    NO Amnesty, NO 'Path to Citizenship', NO Have-your-baby-here/send-your-children, NO Jobs. Nada. ALL incentives must be removed. Absolutely.
    Or, instead of wasting money trying to protect a huge unpopulated border, we can increase the number of legal immigrants, charge them a fee, tax them, and drop the absurd hateful rhetoric against our fellow human beings.

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    Re: Central American migrants are on a word-of-mouth exodus to the U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    Illegals would NOT be able to get licences either without National Citizen IDs.
    Uh huh. Have you actually gotten a job lately? You do have to fill out forms to prove you're a US citizen, or have a valid visa.

    Illegal immigrants are either getting paid under the table, or they forge documents. So unless you're also going to get rid of cash, good luck with your plan.


    "out-thinking" you was not exactly tough. You clearly couldn't comprehend this simple proposal: National ID.
    Yes, I'm sure conservatives all over the US will line up behind that plan.

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    Re: Central American migrants are on a word-of-mouth exodus to the U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    This is a crisis totally of this administrations making....And this is what they are bringing with them...




    Reports of TB, and worse have been reported...And also reports of hardcore MS13 gang members, and affiliates have entered...What the hell is this administration doing? And what should we do to stop this insanity?

    Yep, all Obama's fault.

    History suggests otherwise. For better and for worse, America’s borders have always been highly porous, and to imagine a secure line around the country is to be falsely nostalgic for a past that never existed.

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    Re: Central American migrants are on a word-of-mouth exodus to the U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    Uh, yeah, that's already a requirement.

    2nd offense can already be $5000, 3rd offense can already be $10k. Harboring an illegal immigrant can already mean jail time.

    What else ya got?
    I got that you have to Produce a LINK to such a Law and post/Excerpt said terms you say exists for the same people I was talking about.
    Then even if you do, I got that I am demanding enforcement which clearly is NOT happening.


    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek

    Or, instead of wasting money trying to protect a huge unpopulated border, we can increase the number of legal immigrants, charge them a fee, tax them, and drop the absurd hateful rhetoric against our fellow human beings.
    ANY incentive will be capitalized on.
    There are Holes in your goofy proposal already.
    ie, YOU allow them in, now you find them when they have No job, but their kids are in school, you rip em out, etc.
    Oh yeah that's a winner.
    and OOOPS...
    Your proposal would also require knowing their status/having an ID card.

    Got something better I hope.
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    Re: Central American migrants are on a word-of-mouth exodus to the U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    The major fix in the illegal immigration problem is working with Mexico, etc. to improve their economies so people there won't feel they need to come here.
    That's part of it. But a lot of the juvenile immigrants are from nations like Honduras and El Salvador. Migration patterns tend to shift, and the US simply cannot single-handedly fix every economy around the world.

    I might add that one fix would be to facilitate American companies opening factories and moving facilities to those nations. Do you think that will go over well in the US?

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    Re: Central American migrants are on a word-of-mouth exodus to the U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    I got that you have to Produce a Link to such a Law and post/excerpt said terms you say exists for the same people I was talking about.
    Erm... English translation please?

    And here's the US code. Scroll down to (e)(4). 8 U.S. Code 1324a - Unlawful employment of aliens | LII / Legal Information Institute


    I got, then even if you do, I am demanding enforcement which clearly is NOT happening.
    Good luck with demanding better enforcement.


    ANY incentive will be capitalized on.
    OK, and...? Have you not noticed that I'm OK with immigration, and want more legal options?

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    Re: Central American migrants are on a word-of-mouth exodus to the U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    That's part of it. But a lot of the juvenile immigrants are from nations like Honduras and El Salvador. Migration patterns tend to shift, and the US simply cannot single-handedly fix every economy around the world.

    I might add that one fix would be to facilitate American companies opening factories and moving facilities to those nations. Do you think that will go over well in the US?
    Only if its something that cannot be done here. Certain agricultural sectors like sugar production. Mineral mining. Tourism. Especially if Americans can invest in those industries. I really wish Bush's private investment retirement accounts had gained momentum but I won't get on a tangent.
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