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    UN announce that Global refugee figures highest since WW2.

    BBC News - Global refugee figures highest since WW2, UN says


    Shocking really when you consider the infastructure in place now with the UN, NATO etc that is supposed to be trying to keep world order. It would seem to me given the Syria, Crimea, Ukraine, Iraq and the lawlessness of West Africa that those in charge are failing miserably at maintaining any kind of global stability and that can only be bad for us as a society in the long run. But our governments will continue to keep their heads in the sand and this recent inaction from western governments will continue.
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    Re: UN announce that Global refugee figures highest since WW2.

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    BBC News - Global refugee figures highest since WW2, UN says


    Shocking really when you consider the infastructure in place now with the UN, NATO etc that is supposed to be trying to keep world order. It would seem to me given the Syria, Crimea, Ukraine, Iraq and the lawlessness of West Africa that those in charge are failing miserably at maintaining any kind of global stability and that can only be bad for us as a society in the long run. But our governments will continue to keep their heads in the sand and this recent inaction from western governments will continue.
    Don't kid yourself. The architecture for international security is poorly designed and just beginning to be adapted to the requirements of the post Cold War world. If nothing is done to correct the structure and present state thereof then the future will become much more dangerous than anything we have ever seen.

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    Re: UN announce that Global refugee figures highest since WW2.

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    BBC News - Global refugee figures highest since WW2, UN says


    Shocking really when you consider the infastructure in place now with the UN, NATO etc that is supposed to be trying to keep world order.
    See that is where you are wrong. Both the UN nor NATO are not suppose to do anything like that.

    It would seem to me given the Syria, Crimea, Ukraine, Iraq and the lawlessness of West Africa that those in charge are failing miserably at maintaining any kind of global stability and that can only be bad for us as a society in the long run. But our governments will continue to keep their heads in the sand and this recent inaction from western governments will continue.
    Again there is no world organisation that has the mandate to meddle in the internal conflict of nations. At best if there was a war between two countries then yes there are things in place to deal with that, but rebellions and civil wars.. nada.

    So it is a bit harsh to blame organisations and world leaders when it aint their job and frankly I dont think it should be their jobs. Involving countries in on going civil wars... beyond stupid.
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    Re: UN announce that Global refugee figures highest since WW2.

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    See that is where you are wrong. Both the UN nor NATO are not suppose to do anything like that.



    Again there is no world organisation that has the mandate to meddle in the internal conflict of nations. At best if there was a war between two countries then yes there are things in place to deal with that, but rebellions and civil wars.. nada.

    So it is a bit harsh to blame organisations and world leaders when it aint their job and frankly I dont think it should be their jobs. Involving countries in on going civil wars... beyond stupid.
    I disagree the UN's main functions are.
    -Maintaining international peace and security,
    -promoting human rights,
    -helping social and economic development,
    -providing humanitarian aid in cases of famine, natural disaster, and armed conflict.

    Wars are still raging and we have a record number of refugees some of which have been in that state for over a decade. The UN has failed on it's own basic requirments.
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    Re: UN announce that Global refugee figures highest since WW2.

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    BBC News - Global refugee figures highest since WW2, UN says


    Shocking really when you consider the infastructure in place now with the UN, NATO etc that is supposed to be trying to keep world order. It would seem to me given the Syria, Crimea, Ukraine, Iraq and the lawlessness of West Africa that those in charge are failing miserably at maintaining any kind of global stability and that can only be bad for us as a society in the long run. But our governments will continue to keep their heads in the sand and this recent inaction from western governments will continue.
    Well it could be true and I admit I have no way of proving it one way or another.

    but it is the Un which is hardly a reliable or credible source.

    As you seem to imply it also reflects badly on the UN if it is true and deonstrates why the organization is worthless and needs to be done away with.

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    Re: UN announce that Global refugee figures highest since WW2.

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    I disagree the UN's main functions are.
    -Maintaining international peace and security,
    -promoting human rights,
    -helping social and economic development,
    -providing humanitarian aid in cases of famine, natural disaster, and armed conflict.

    Wars are still raging and we have a record number of refugees some of which have been in that state for over a decade. The UN has failed on it's own basic requirments.
    Between countries.. in fact in many areas the UN is forbidden to meddle in the internal workings of a country unless asked to do so.

    The conflicts we see today are not between countries, but between religions and tribes and internal in most countries.. it is also something that no one is prepared to deal with.

    On top of that the UN does not have a military force of its own to actually do anything and requires the help of its member nations military, who all are very reluctant to allow their men to go fight in civil wars.. which I fully understand. Look at Bosnia. The UN/NATO only got involved and sent in troops in large numbers when the fighting sides agreed to a cease fire. Before that most countries were very reluctant to do anything but send in UN troops to maintain "safe zones" for civilians, and under extreme restricted rules.

    If we want the UN or any other organisation to do something about things like Syria, or Iraq, or random African civil war, then you not only need the political will and mandate but the manpower and money.

    Now all of this is damn hard to get. The political will regardless of the fine words coming out of London and Washington is not there. Why? Because like the Russians and Chinese and every other country, they want to make sure that giving any organisation the mandate to meddle in internal conflicts like a civil war, does not come back to bite them in the ass.

    For example, had the UN had the mandate to do what you wanted to do, then the UN would have sent in troops to keep the peace in Northern Ireland.. would that have pleased you? Of course not. That is why most countries including the UK and US, would ultimately prevent a powerful organisation that could do things on its own to prevent/stop conflicts.. because it could be used against them.

    Then there is manpower and money. The US refuses to put their troops under another country's command, so that leaves out the worlds most powerful military. Other countries have special rules on international missions, often put in place due to WW2.. thinking of Germany and Japan. And that leaves the bottom of the barrel basically with countries like Bangladesh, Nigeria and Pakistan contributing most troops... and those countries are where many of these conflicts are happening! On the money wise, it could be a bottomless pit.

    I fully understand what you want, but it is just not realistic now and I doubt it will be any time soon.
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    Re: UN announce that Global refugee figures highest since WW2.

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    BBC News - Global refugee figures highest since WW2, UN says


    Shocking really when you consider the infastructure in place now with the UN, NATO etc that is supposed to be trying to keep world order. It would seem to me given the Syria, Crimea, Ukraine, Iraq and the lawlessness of West Africa that those in charge are failing miserably at maintaining any kind of global stability and that can only be bad for us as a society in the long run. But our governments will continue to keep their heads in the sand and this recent inaction from western governments will continue.
    Not to mention women and children of violent and impoverished Central America who cross the hostile (to them anyway) nation of Mexico to seek refuge in the US.
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    Re: UN announce that Global refugee figures highest since WW2.

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    BBC News - Global refugee figures highest since WW2, UN says


    Shocking really when you consider the infastructure in place now with the UN, NATO etc that is supposed to be trying to keep world order. It would seem to me given the Syria, Crimea, Ukraine, Iraq and the lawlessness of West Africa that those in charge are failing miserably at maintaining any kind of global stability and that can only be bad for us as a society in the long run. But our governments will continue to keep their heads in the sand and this recent inaction from western governments will continue.
    So where is the UN?
    They're taking care of the much smaller population of Faux refugees, 3rd gen Palestinians/anti-Israelers who have own UN agency (UNRWA) while the truly needy go hungry and homeless. UNRWA runs, schools, marathons, health clinics/prescription plans, etc.
    http://blogs.cfr.org/abrams/2011/12/...vancing-peace/

    "UNRWA is now the largest UN agency, with a staff of 30,000.
    UNHCR cares for the rest of the world with about 7,500 personnel"
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    Re: UN announce that Global refugee figures highest since WW2.

    Most of the refugees are economic or climate related. Globalization and its economic/climatic fallout has done more to destroy indigenous ways of life and displace populations than any other factor in recent history. It should be obvious to those who do their research that this system is not sustainable and is not going to last. The developing nations are feeling the burn badly right now, but it is yet to reach the developed nations. It will eventually though.

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    Re: UN announce that Global refugee figures highest since WW2.

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    BBC News - Global refugee figures highest since WW2, UN says


    Shocking really when you consider the infastructure in place now with the UN, NATO etc that is supposed to be trying to keep world order. It would seem to me given the Syria, Crimea, Ukraine, Iraq and the lawlessness of West Africa that those in charge are failing miserably at maintaining any kind of global stability and that can only be bad for us as a society in the long run. But our governments will continue to keep their heads in the sand and this recent inaction from western governments will continue.
    It just goes to show how big-a-joke The UN is.
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