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Republicans: Obama must defend Christian values

Perotista said:
The religious right's power probably peaked in the 80's and has slowly been ebbing since then. My response to government and religion has always been government needs to stay out of religion. But government needs to ensure all people can practice their religion and worship in according to their religion anywhere and whenever they want.
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As well as say what they want even if it goes against the political climate at the moment?
 
hammer2 said:
As well as say what they want even if it goes against the political climate at the moment?
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Sure, anyone can say whatever he wants. If you are talking about the Republicans saying President Obama should defend Christian values at home and abroad, I have no problem with them saying it. Now if President Obama and our government tries to enforce Christian values on me, I do have a problem with that. That is utilizing government to enforce one religious views on others who may not have those same views or none at all.

That is two different things, one is freedom of speech and protect, the other, government enforcement of Christian values on the citizens of the U.S. is against the 1st Amendment.

If I read too much into your question, I apologize. But I had a feeling this is where you were going.
 
shrubnose said:
Leading Republicans on Thursday insisted that America's leaders must do more to defend Christian values at home and abroad, blaming President Barack Obama for attacks on religious freedom as they courted religious conservatives expected to play a crucial role in the next presidential contest.

Read more of this article here: http://news.yahoo.com/republicans-obama-must-defend-christian-values-192212780




If these guys had said that Obama must defend America's 1st Amendment values they would have had my and a lot of other peoples support.

I don't believe that this will win many elections for them.

BTW: if anyone can point out where it says in the U.S. Constitution that defending Christian values is the presidents job, I'd like to see it.

This sounds like a bunch of far right religious malarkey to me.




"Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch, running out of time, GOP
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I think he would be served better to defend American Values like the freedom of speech, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. The core values of America so to speak. If the president is there to defend any special interest values over another one.
 
I don't really think its Obama's job to sponsor Christian values. Not to mention he has much bigger fish to fry right now.
 
I'm not asking our leaders to "defend" anything. It would be nice if they acknowledged that the soul of the country(and it's history) is intertwined with the christian religion in a way that is impossible to separate, no matter how secular the citizens of the country becomes. And spare me your argument that even though the country was founded by christians and the entire population was christian that somehow the founding fathers were not religious and were in no way influenced by christian values. It's not possible to any reasonable person who can read a history book.
 
JoeTrumps said:
I'm not asking our leaders to "defend" anything. It would be nice if they acknowledged that the soul of the country(and it's history) is intertwined with the christian religion in a way that is impossible to separate, no matter how secular the citizens of the country becomes. And spare me your argument that even though the country was founded by christians and the entire population was christian that somehow the founding fathers were not religious and were in no way influenced by christian values. It's not possible to any reasonable person who can read a history book.
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The problem with this argument is that it assumes that our most important values are Christian. They aren't. Even if you can show that Christianity shared some of our most important values, it does not prove that they are solely Christian values. That those values would not exist without Christianity or Christian influence.
 
JoeTrumps said:
Obama use to go to church all the time. The preacher was a race-baiting nutjob but still. It at least proves he believes in God and is teaching his kids to do the same. Bet that just burns you libs up.
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The only people that give a **** whether he goes to church or not are those who also go to church. Those would be mostly whack job righties who call themselves Christians.
 
1750Texan said:
http://news.yahoo.com/republicans-obama-must-defend-christian-values-192212780--election.html

While polls suggest that social conservatives are losing their fight against gay marriage, Republican officials across the political spectrum concede that evangelical Christian voters continue to play a critical role in Republican politics.

"You can ignore them, but you do so at our own peril," said Republican operative Hogan Gidley, who has worked for former presidential candidates Rick Santorum and Mike Huckabee.
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Is this a plea to the President or to the GOP? Seems GOP voter sure did ignore both Santorum and Huckabee.
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It's a rallying cry to the Evangelical wing of the Republican base that has its roots in the Bible Belt of the deep south. However, that doesn't mean that the U.S. as a whole hasn't lost touch with its religious convictions. Problem here is how do you reconcile "religious tolerance" with the morality of man's laws in a predominately Christian nation?

shrubnose said:
BTW: if anyone can point out where it says in the U.S. Constitution that defending Christian values is the presidents job, I'd like to see it.
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joG said:
If someone can Show that, it will take me very much by surprise.
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PeteEU said:
Sure in the GOP version, where abortion is banned, being gay is a capital offense and women, Muslims, blacks, Latinos, and Jews are denied the vote. :)
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joG said:
And you think it says that in the Constitution?
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Sure it does...the "pursuit of happiness" and "equal protection" under the law. This is where Right-Wing Evangelicals mess up in their attempts to politic from the pulpit. You alienate "everybody else" who may be decent people, but perhaps not be deeply religious or people who may not share the same religious beliefs as you. It's not the President's job to raise one religion over another. However, he should reiterate that this nation has its founding based on "divine providence", that although we're all free to worship as we please, we should never forget that in the design of man and this great nation there is a higher power that reigns supreme over all.
 
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Paxaeon said:
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I read someplace in the New Tea Party coloring book version of the US Constitution that presidents must defend Christian values as opposed to the Constitution itself.
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Do you have a link to that?
 
PeteEU said:
Sure in the GOP version, where abortion is banned, being gay is a capital offense and women, Muslims, blacks, Latinos, and Jews are denied the vote. :)
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Excuse me to trouble you for a link to that but so many Leftists are full of crap that it's always wise to provide evidence to support their generally wacky beliefs.
 
JRSaindo said:
Maybe its just me, but I don't believe religious views should be part of politics. That just creates problems because apparently there are many Gods and many religions, so who is to say what religion reigns supreme? Separation of church and state.....religious zealots have no place in congress. We need rational thinkers, not emotional reactors.
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If you cannot tell one religion from another, what difference does it make?
 
Paxaeon said:
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If you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

If you're an evangelical christian, everything looks like Obama.
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Obama spent 20 years in a Christian Church studying the preachings and praying along with Reverend Wright. He must have picked up some beliefs during that period.
 
PeteEU said:
Have you ever heard of sarcasm?
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Leftists tend to be rather dimwitted so it's hard to tell when they are trying to be funny, being sarcastic or are just uninformed. Facts are not their friends.

Maybe that is sarcastic.
 
Grant said:
If you cannot tell one religion from another, what difference does it make?
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It makes a big difference. This is why cults are not allowed. Think Jim Jones and every other religious nut job who convinced people to take their life via mass suicide and you have you'll understand that calling out false prophets does matter a great deal.
 
roguenuke said:
The problem with this argument is that it assumes that our most important values are Christian. They aren't. Even if you can show that Christianity shared some of our most important values, it does not prove that they are solely Christian values. That those values would not exist without Christianity or Christian influence.
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A good way to test your theory would be to look at countries not based on Christian values and see if you can spot any differences.
 
Objective Voice said:
It makes a big difference. This is why cults are not allowed. Think Jim Jones and every other religious nut job who convinced people to take their life via mass suicide and you have you'll understand that calling out false prophets does matter a great deal.
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Perhaps you never read the post I was referring to. The poster said "who is to say what religion reigns supreme?" Certainly we can judge that some religions are preferable to others, just as we can with any philosophies.
 
Grant said:
Obama spent 20 years in a Christian Church studying the preachings and praying along with Reverend Wright. He must have picked up some beliefs during that period.
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Seems highly likely, and a reasonable assumption to make.

Might it also be a reasonable assumption that Barack is very good at suppressing the expression of these beliefs, where as Michelle isn't as good at this suppression?
 
Grant said:
A good way to test your theory would be to look at countries not based on Christian values and see if you can spot any differences.
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People all over the world believe in helping each other in times of great peril. Take natural disasters, for example. A flood, earth quakes, volcano eruption, hurricane or tsunami, when such disasters strike the people all pull together to help one another. In fact, the world seems to come together at such times of great strife. Look into the holy writings of every religion - Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Catholicism and you'll likely find that helping the sick, infirmed, elderly, widowed and the poor are basic moral tenants of humanity. It's governments and religious zealots that screws such beliefs in decent acts of humanity.
 
Grant said:
Perhaps you never read the post I was referring to. The poster said "who is to say what religion reigns supreme?" Certainly we can judge that some religions are preferable to others, just as we can with any philosophies.
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I read the post and understood both what the poster was saying, as well as, your reply to same. Hence, the reason I commented the way I did. You have to be able to verify what any so-called Preacher and/or witness to any religion is trying to tell you before excepting it as truth concerning your religious conviction. Otherwise, you can easily end up being led astray. Where today's apparent Holy War is concerned, the religious zealots are on both sides - Christian and Muslim. Both will play on people's fears in order to get what they want - blind followers of the faith. The same is said of religious cults.

1 John, 4:1-2. "1. Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2. Hereby know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God."
 
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Grant said:
A good way to test your theory would be to look at countries not based on Christian values and see if you can spot any differences.
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An even easier way is to simply determine what exactly are Christian values and prove that no other cultures have those values.
 
Paxaeon said:
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If you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

If you're an evangelical christian, everything looks like Obama.
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We could just hire the POPE, he has some experience in running a small country, and I can teach you how to spin the beads.
 
"Republicans: Obama must defend Christian values"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :lol: :lamo

Normally I'd tell them to get the plank out of their eyes before getting the speck out of his, but in this case we're talking an entire warehouse full of planks! LOLOLOL :lol:
 
Objective Voice said:
People all over the world believe in helping each other in times of great peril. Take natural disasters, for example. A flood, earth quakes, volcano eruption, hurricane or tsunami, when such disasters strike the people all pull together to help one another. In fact, the world seems to come together at such times of great strife. Look into the holy writings of every religion - Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Catholicism and you'll likely find that helping the sick, infirmed, elderly, widowed and the poor are basic moral tenants of humanity. It's governments and religious zealots that screws such beliefs in decent acts of humanity.
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That has nothing to do with the suggestion of why some countries with different religions don't do as well as those countries based on Christian teachings..
 
Grant said:
That has nothing to do with the suggestion of why some countries with different religions don't do as well as those countries based on Christian teachings..
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There's plenty of non-Christian countries that do just fine, there's plenty of Christian countries that are complete crapsacks.
 
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