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    Re: Republicans: Obama must defend Christian values

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    No. The beliefs about freedom and human rights simply evolved within societies that had many Christians within them. Christianity did not cause those ideals to develop, it simply was there in the same place that that they did.
    I shall be a Christian in this instance and say that your knowledge of history is incomplete.

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    Re: Republicans: Obama must defend Christian values

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Franco was a Fascist and that overrides any feelings he made have had towards the teachings of Christ. Pinochet took over, luckily, from an atheist and of course Stalin was no Christian either.
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    Re: Republicans: Obama must defend Christian values

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    No. I am focusing on the attempted arguments to make Christianity better than any other religion or beliefs. It is ridiculous. Christianity is not better just because so many people in the US believe in it.
    Millions, many millions around the world, are Christian. You think it is only common in the United States??
    And many Christians (although I think this is changing for the better) violate the Golden Rule in relation to many other humans.
    Of course.

    One of the most obvious examples is homosexuals. Many Christians treat homosexuals like crap, even some who are "nice" to them because of those Christian's beliefs. Most Christians would not want to be told that their beliefs will get them to a negative place, yet those same people do not see it as wrong for them to tell others this. Another example is the insistence that those who aren't Christian will go to hell or go somewhere negative in death. Sure, other religions do this too, but that doesn't mean it is consistent with the Golden Rule for any of them.
    How often does it need explaining that calling yourself a Christian doesn't really make you one. It might be an aspiration but there also might be, or likely be, failings along the line.

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    Re: Republicans: Obama must defend Christian values

    When the President takes the oath of office, he swears on the Bible to uphold the Constitution. He doesn't swear on the Constitution to uphold the Bible.
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    Re: Republicans: Obama must defend Christian values

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    When the President takes the oath of office, he swears on the Bible to uphold the Constitution. He doesn't swear on the Constitution to uphold the Bible.
    The fact that the Bible is even INVOLVED when a President takes office kind of hurts your argument, no?

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    Re: Republicans: Obama must defend Christian values

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Why would it be so difficult for Barrack Obama to defend Christian values? Are you suggesting he's a Muslim and not a Christian?
    Er, no. I'm pointing out the blatant hypocrisy of Republicans' claiming that he should "defend Christian values" while these same Republicans have fallen way short of such standards.
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    Re: Republicans: Obama must defend Christian values

    Quote Originally Posted by Paxaeon View Post
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    I read someplace in the New Tea Party coloring book version of the US Constitution that presidents must defend Christian values as opposed to the Constitution itself.
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    Re: Republicans: Obama must defend Christian values

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Franco was a Fascist and that overrides any feelings he made have had towards the teachings of Christ. Pinochet took over, luckily, from an atheist and of course Stalin was no Christian either.
    None of the dictators were very Christian, but those are nations with a Christian tradition.


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    Re: Republicans: Obama must defend Christian values

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Millions, many millions around the world, are Christian. You think it is only common in the United States??
    Of course.
    Millions, many millions around the world, are Muslim too. You think numbers makes a religion righteous?

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    Re: Republicans: Obama must defend Christian values

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Then they are obviously not following The Golden Rule.

    The Golden Rule, to me, should be personal and although I think it should be taught in schools I don't proselytize myself because I am riddled with imperfections. All of what I am saying is from observation only and it should not be construed that I am a good Christian or even a Christian. And the truth is that i find those who argue against Christianity (as I once did) to be as much of a pain in the ass as those who are in your face for it.
    And this is the problem. You are talking about you here but seem to think that all Christians or at least most Christians behave this way. It simply isn't true. Plus, you seem to believe that arguing against Christianity is the same as not following the Golden Rule. That again isn't true. A person can share their feelings about why they do not believe in a certain religion without being disrespectful.
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