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    Re: Republicans: Obama must defend Christian values

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I read the post and understood both what the poster was saying, as well as, your reply to same. Hence, the reason I commented the way I did. You have to be able to verify what any so-called Preacher and/or witness to any religion is trying to tell you before excepting it as truth concerning your religious conviction. Otherwise, you can easily end up being led astray. Where today's apparent Holy War is concerned, the religious zealots are on both sides - Christian and Muslim. Both will play on people's fears in order to get what they want - blind followers of the faith. The same is said of religious cults.

    1 John, 4:1-2. "1. Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2. Hereby know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God."
    The targets of Islamists are western democracies and they will attack anyone who doesn't defer to their brand of Islam. Your concern about Christian zealots is overwrought, and nothing compared to the Islamists..

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    Re: Republicans: Obama must defend Christian values

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    That has nothing to do with the suggestion of why some countries with different religions don't do as well as those countries based on Christian teachings..
    Correlation =/= causation

    You're asking others prove a negative to disprove your claim. The alternative is to explain everything that goes into the success of the West, which is really kind of ridiculous for anyone to expect.

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    Re: Republicans: Obama must defend Christian values

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    An even easier way is to simply determine what exactly are Christian values and prove that no other cultures have those values.
    If you are old enough to use a computer you should be able to determine what Christian values are. Do you know what "The Golden Rule" is?

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    Re: Republicans: Obama must defend Christian values

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Correlation =/= causation You're asking others prove a negative to disprove your claim. The alternative is to explain everything that goes into the success of the West, which is really kind of ridiculous for anyone to expect.
    Not at all. Protestant work ethic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    This had a huge influence on Great Britain at the time which partly explains why this little island in the North Atlantic was able to control 20% of the world's population at one time and why those countries Britain influenced most have all been a power in their areas.

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    Re: Republicans: Obama must defend Christian values

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    If you are old enough to use a computer you should be able to determine what Christian values are. Do you know what "The Golden Rule" is?
    You really believe Jesus was the first person to think treating others as they would like to be treated is a good idea? No one figured that out before Him?

    I think most people, of every culture/religion/ethnicity/etc come to such an idea.

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    Re: Republicans: Obama must defend Christian values

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    "Republicans: Obama must defend Christian values"

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Normally I'd tell them to get the plank out of their eyes before getting the speck out of his, but in this case we're talking an entire warehouse full of planks! LOLOLOL
    Why would it be so difficult for Barrack Obama to defend Christian values? Are you suggesting he's a Muslim and not a Christian?

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    Re: Republicans: Obama must defend Christian values

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Why would it be so difficult for Barrack Obama to defend Christian values? Are you suggesting he's a Muslim and not a Christian?
    I'll do it. I suggest Obama is a Muslim and not a Christian. What do you say about that?


    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Not at all. Protestant work ethic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    This had a huge influence on Great Britain at the time which partly explains why this little island in the North Atlantic was able to control 20% of the world's population at one time and why those countries Britain influenced most have all been a power in their areas.
    They could have been worshiping Jaba the Hut, it wouldn't make a difference. The times called for work.

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    Re: Republicans: Obama must defend Christian values

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    If you are old enough to use a computer you should be able to determine what Christian values are. Do you know what "The Golden Rule" is?
    The Golden Rule existed prior to Christianity or even Jesus.

    Golden rule quotes from various religions

    The vast majority of "Christian values" existed prior to Jesus and especially prior to Christianity and are part of a good number, if not most, cultures in at least a very similar way.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Republicans: Obama must defend Christian values

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    You really believe Jesus was the first person to think treating others as they would like to be treated is a good idea? No one figured that out before Him?

    I think most people, of every culture/religion/ethnicity/etc come to such an idea.
    The idea that poor people even had a soul was a revolutionary idea at the time. There was a great divide between rich and poor and Christ's defense of them is still reverberating today.

    I'm sure there were philosophers prior to Jesus who shared similar ideas but none of them had the impact his did.

    To get a grasp on Christianity i think it is as important to read Bertrand Russell (History of western philosophy) as much as it is to read CS Lewis (Mere Christianity). Their ideas often conflict but their arguments are both worthwhile. People will probably find things in the New Testament they may not agree with (and plenty in the OT) but there is little doubt the general thrust of the philosophy influenced much of the western world today.

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    Re: Republicans: Obama must defend Christian values

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The Golden Rule existed prior to Christianity or even Jesus.

    Golden rule quotes from various religions

    The vast majority of "Christian values" existed prior to Jesus and especially prior to Christianity and are part of a good number, if not most, cultures in at least a very similar way.
    Nonetheless most of these religions remain obscure and forgotten while Christianity went on to change the world.

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