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    Re: Republicans: Obama must defend Christian values

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    And now that leftist Obama is in power we are no longer backing those governments?
    Considering none of those governments exist any longer, I don't see how we could. See any Somozas running around lately?
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    Re: Republicans: Obama must defend Christian values

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    No. I really doesn't:



    Rodney P. Carlisle. Encyclopedia of politics: the left and the right, Volume 2. University of Michigan; Sage Reference, 2005. p.693, 721



    Those governments fought tooth and nail to maintain the order of those societies.
    I see. So any leftist dictator that fights to maintain the power structure he and his thugs have created becomes a right wing dictator. How convenient. And unconvincing.

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    Re: Republicans: Obama must defend Christian values

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Considering none of those governments exist any longer, I don't see how we could. See any Somozas running around lately?
    Cuba and venezuala, left wing or right wing? And what is being discussed here is ideology not whether or not those in political power wish to maintain it or not.

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    Re: Republicans: Obama must defend Christian values

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Cuba and venezuala, left wing or right wing?
    The Cuban government in the 60s was overthrown because of the repressive US-backed tactics of Furgencio Batista's government. The Venezuelans staged various coups trying to overthrown neoconservative governments. Are you even trying to look at this from a global perspective? Do you know anything about these countries?

    And what is being discussed here is ideology not whether or not those in political power wish to maintain it or not.
    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    I see. So any leftist dictator that fights to maintain the power structure he and his thugs have created becomes a right wing dictator. How convenient. And unconvincing.
    You're not good at this stuff, seeking to maintain power is a descriptive of any government right or left wing government. That is because it is through maintenance of power that you can establish social and economic policies. What is being stated (which is a factual statement) is that right wing governments seek to maintain a system made of tiers (poor, rich, middle class, etc) whereas left wing governments want to maintain a system of economic/social equality. It has nothing to do with small or big government. There are libertarians who want smaller government and yet also believe in a social policy where everyone can have access to basic services. Small and big government are just demands from political parties and depend on the political context.
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    Re: Republicans: Obama must defend Christian values

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Considering none of those governments exist any longer, I don't see how we could. See any Somozas running around lately?
    Today I saw one running to catch a bus in New York.

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    Re: Republicans: Obama must defend Christian values

    Quote Originally Posted by Ricatalian View Post
    Today I saw one running to catch a bus in New York.
    Hehehehe - that was funny.
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    Re: Republicans: Obama must defend Christian values

    Quote Originally Posted by JoeTrumps View Post
    Obama use to go to church all the time. The preacher was a race-baiting nutjob but still. It at least proves he believes in God and is teaching his kids to do the same. Bet that just burns you libs up.
    I thought Obama was an extremist atheist communist muslim. You guys can't even keep your false accusations straight without tripping over yourselves.
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    Re: Republicans: Obama must defend Christian values

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    part of the 1st amendment is religious protections. that would include christian values.
    What about anti-christian values? The faith in the anti-christ is strong in many parts of the Bible Belt.
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    Re: Republicans: Obama must defend Christian values

    Quote Originally Posted by Paxaeon View Post
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    I read someplace in the New Tea Party coloring book version of the US Constitution that presidents must defend Christian values as opposed to the Constitution itself.
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    Re: Republicans: Obama must defend Christian values

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The Cuban government in the 60s was overthrown because of the repressive US-backed tactics of Furgencio Batista's government. The Venezuelans staged various coups trying to overthrown neoconservative governments. Are you even trying to look at this from a global perspective? Do you know anything about these countries?
    By all means, fill me in.





    You're not good at this stuff, seeking to maintain power is a descriptive of any government right or left wing government. That is because it is through maintenance of power that you can establish social and economic policies. What is being stated (which is a factual statement) is that right wing governments seek to maintain a system made of tiers (poor, rich, middle class, etc) whereas left wing governments want to maintain a system of economic/social equality. It has nothing to do with small or big government. There are libertarians who want smaller government and yet also believe in a social policy where everyone can have access to basic services. Small and big government are just demands from political parties and depend on the political context.
    I used the definition you posted, so if I'm not 'good at this stuff' it would be because you post crap links that make crap points. Just so you know, governments that 'want to maintain a system of economic/social equality' can only do so through the rule by physical force and the trampling of individual rights. Your simplistic world view seems to leave out those who wish a state to respect and defend the rights and liberties of the individual. You seem incapable of recognizing any form of government that doesn't oppress its population to achieve certain state ends. Whether a particular statist is of right or left wing is really irrelevant. Both are statists. Neither preferable to the other in the eyes of those whose political philosophy is centered upon individual rights. To you, what is important is state power and state 'rights'. The idea that such thinking is 'progressive' is laughable. It is as regressive and medieval as a thought can possibly get.

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