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    Re: Republicans: Obama must defend Christian values

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    And they are learning that free speech can and should be controlled.These are the citizens of tomorrow learning that muzzling someone else's speech is a good and sensible idea. You can bet that 'the offended' will only be from one side, and a powerful one.

    No one enforces these laws. But the free speech laws on campuses are being enforced and you support them

    No one has been enforcing blasphemy laws for decades but why should it matter to you? You said that "Campuses have a legitimate interest in ensuring the learning environment is conducive to learning for everyone". Christians regarded that blasphemy laws promoted the peace as well, and Muslims control speech by threatening murder or riots and they maintain peace that way. So you learn by keeping your opinions to yourself.

    Fear-mongering? Many Americans are not afraid because, like you, they feel there should be laws in place to prevent people from being offended. You already have hate speech laws on campuses and you support them.. Now you have "Constitution free zones' that effect almost 2/3 of the population. You have a President who challenges the Constitution and the Supreme Court regularly and now says he will ignore Congress altogether. And many Americans still support him. As Ben F., 'You have a Republic if you can keep it'. Stifling speech may not be a wise way to go about keeping it but 'it's a free country'..
    No. They are learning that there are times and places for speaking your mind to avoid consequences. A college student is not going to be arrested for hate speech. Kicked out of college, quite possibly, just as employees can be fired for hate speech when it goes against that company's rules.

    The speech laws on campus are like those in a work place. Do you believe that work places should not be allowed to control what is said at their work places?

    It doesn't matter if they enforced or not, they still existed in Christian controlled countries.

    Christians were wrong because they were only used to protect words against God or certain religious beliefs from being said, not to promote peace. And campuses do it only in regards to certain places and/or people. They do not hold any criminal sanctions, blasphemy laws do/did.

    There is a difference between rules in certain places and laws that cover every place. Do you not understand this? Not all rules are laws. On campus there are rules against hate speech, not laws. Laws against it would mean that the students who violated this would have a criminal record.

    And now you are getting into the political partisanship. There have always been people on both sides who attempt to stifle free speech. It is not just those on the left or just those on right. That is why we have some protections in place.
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    Re: Republicans: Obama must defend Christian values

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You mean countries like Colombia? Mexico? El Salvador? Nicaragua? Venezuela? Guess what all those countries have had within the last 30 years.
    Massive poverty under socialist dictate?
    Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.

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    Re: Republicans: Obama must defend Christian values

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Massive poverty under socialist dictate?
    El Salvador got into a war because the ruling government (a conservative party) was too oppressive.
    Colombia's war started because a right wing government started attacking peasant villages.
    Mexico was led by a right wing pro-US government for 80+ years (dubbed "The perfect dictatorship")
    Nicaragua's war was fueled by a right wing pro-US government which called itself Conservative authoritarian.

    ... what?
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    Re: Republicans: Obama must defend Christian values

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    El Salvador got into a war because the ruling government (a conservative party) was too oppressive.
    Colombia's war started because a right wing government started attacking peasant villages.
    Mexico was led by a right wing pro-US government for 80+ years (dubbed "The perfect dictatorship")
    Nicaragua's war was fueled by a right wing pro-US government which called itself Conservative authoritarian.

    ... what?
    "Right wing" in other places in the world doesn't mean the same thing as "right wing" here.
    Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.

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    Re: Republicans: Obama must defend Christian values

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    "Right wing" in other places in the world doesn't mean the same thing as "right wing" here.
    Hahahahaha, from the guy who agrees that there is a global left and all leftists are in some sort of cabal is laughable.
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    Re: Republicans: Obama must defend Christian values

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Hahahahaha, from the guy who agrees that there is a global left and all leftists are in some sort of cabal is laughable.
    So you really have no rational response, so you just resort to the same childish tactics....Ok....carry on....I have a party to get ready for....Happy Independence day Hatuey....
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    Re: Republicans: Obama must defend Christian values

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So you really have no rational response,
    No, I'm highlighting your complete ignorance of these governments. THEY WERE BACKED BY THE US. Hell, the reason they were backed by the US government was because they were supposedly carrying out campaigns against leftist groups suspected of being backed by the USSR and Cuba. Are you even serious?
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    Re: Republicans: Obama must defend Christian values

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    El Salvador got into a war because the ruling government (a conservative party) was too oppressive.
    Colombia's war started because a right wing government started attacking peasant villages.
    Mexico was led by a right wing pro-US government for 80+ years (dubbed "The perfect dictatorship")
    Nicaragua's war was fueled by a right wing pro-US government which called itself Conservative authoritarian.

    ... what?
    Psst. Right wing means limited government, individual rights and free markets. The countries you mentioned reflect left wing values of state power and corruption. Sorry.

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    Re: Republicans: Obama must defend Christian values

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    No, I'm highlighting your complete ignorance of these governments. THEY WERE BACKED BY THE US. Hell, the reason they were backed by the US government was because they were supposedly carrying out campaigns against leftist groups suspected of being backed by the USSR and Cuba. Are you even serious?
    And now that leftist Obama is in power we are no longer backing those governments?

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    Re: Republicans: Obama must defend Christian values

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Psst. Right wing means limited government, individual rights and free markets. The countries you mentioned reflect left wing values of state power and corruption. Sorry.
    No. I really doesn't:

    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney P. Carlisle. Encyclopedia of politics: the left and the right, Volume 2. University of Michigan; Sage Reference, 2005. p.693, 721
    Right-wing politics are political positions or activities that view some forms of social hierarchy or social inequality as either inevitable, natural, normal, or desirable,[1][2] typically justifying this position on the basis of natural law or tradition.[3][4][5][6][7][8]
    Rodney P. Carlisle. Encyclopedia of politics: the left and the right, Volume 2. University of Michigan; Sage Reference, 2005. p.693, 721

    Quote Originally Posted by T. Alexander Smith, Raymond Tatalovich. Cultures at war: moral conflicts in western democracies. Toronto, Canada: Broadview Press, Ltd, 2003. p. 30.
    "That viewpoint is held by contemporary sociologists, for whom 'right-wing movements' are conceptualized as 'social movements whose stated goals are to maintain structures of order, status, honor, or traditional social differences or values' as compared to left-wing movements which seek 'greater equality or political participation.' In other words, the sociological perspective sees preservationist politics as a right-wing attempt to defend privilege within the social hierarchy."
    Those governments fought tooth and nail to maintain the order of those societies.
    I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality. - MLK

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