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    Re: Republicans: Obama must defend Christian values

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    part of the 1st amendment is religious protections. that would include christian values.
    Got any examples where he is preventing people from practicing their religious beliefs? Not protecting them?
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Republicans: Obama must defend Christian values

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Leading Republicans on Thursday insisted that America's leaders must do more to defend Christian values at home and abroad, blaming President Barack Obama for attacks on religious freedom as they courted religious conservatives expected to play a crucial role in the next presidential contest.

    Read more of this article here: http://news.yahoo.com/republicans-ob...lues-192212780




    If these guys had said that Obama must defend America's 1st Amendment values they would have had my and a lot of other peoples support.

    I don't believe that this will win many elections for them.

    BTW: if anyone can point out where it says in the U.S. Constitution that defending Christian values is the presidents job, I'd like to see it.

    This sounds like a bunch of far right religious malarkey to me.




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    Re: Republicans: Obama must defend Christian values

    Quote Originally Posted by JoeTrumps View Post
    I'm not asking our leaders to "defend" anything. It would be nice if they acknowledged that the soul of the country(and it's history) is intertwined with the christian religion in a way that is impossible to separate, no matter how secular the citizens of the country becomes. And spare me your argument that even though the country was founded by christians and the entire population was christian that somehow the founding fathers were not religious and were in no way influenced by christian values. It's not possible to any reasonable person who can read a history book.
    What is the constructive purpose of that?
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    Re: Republicans: Obama must defend Christian values

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    Translation: we need to manufacture an issue to keep the pundits talking



    Correct.

    And this is going on almost every day in the USA and the real issues get shoved aside and ignored.

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    Re: Republicans: Obama must defend Christian values

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Got any examples where he is preventing people from practicing their religious beliefs? Not protecting them?
    what does this have to do with anything that i have been commenting on? you evidently haven't been reading.

    the first amendment garentee's religous freedom. that includes christian values as well.
    if you think that it doesn't then please present your evidence.

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    Re: Republicans: Obama must defend Christian values

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    It's a rallying cry to the Evangelical wing of the Republican base that has its roots in the Bible Belt of the deep south. However, that doesn't mean that the U.S. as a whole hasn't lost touch with its religious convictions. Problem here is how do you reconcile "religious tolerance" with the morality of man's laws in a predominately Christian nation?
    It is not remotely the govt's job to support or remedy that (if that is what you are implying.)

    If there is a lack in any religious communities or organizations/churches, then it is their responsibility and the responsibility of their members to act. A good start is faithfully and consistently acting according to one's beliefs. Every individual can do that and the govt does not interfere with that.
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    Re: Republicans: Obama must defend Christian values

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    what does this have to do with anything that i have been commenting on? you evidently haven't been reading.

    the first amendment garentee's religous freedom. that includes christian values as well.
    if you think that it doesn't then please present your evidence.
    So I asked you to give examples of where the govt is stopping people from practicing their Christian values. Do you have any?
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Republicans: Obama must defend Christian values

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I'm not Christian and I still don't buy anything from the Dixie Chicks. The point was the response is not stifling free speech but it is no different than others who do basically the same thing that was done to the Dixie Chicks to people like voice their opinion on same sex marriage or homosexuality.

    It doesn't matter who may have been against something in the past. People change their minds. In 1970, 70% of the US population still believed that interracial relationships were wrong and should be illegal still. By 1985, that had come pretty close to half the population thinking differently. This wasn't all due to young people growing up. It was due to people changing their minds. Just like this guy:

    Republican senator with gay son now backs gay marriage | Reuters

    This is what happens when people you know and love are gay and you realize that they aren't different from you and they just want to be treated equally.

    Anyone has a right to speak out against or for anything they want, but that does not absolve them of social consequences of what they say or do (even when it's legal), as we seen with the Dixie Chicks, Paula Dean, Mel Gibson, Michael Richards, and others. We have seen it on both sides, so it is not right to pretend it has only happened to "Christians" or those who are against same sex marriage or homosexuality. Carrie Underwood faced backlash from supporting it.

    Celebrities Who Were Caught Being Racist | List of Offensive Celeb Comments (Page 6)

    Carrie Underwood Faced Backlash for Supporting Gay Marriage - Us Weekly

    Eventhough, a lot of famous female (at least) country singers support it, including Dolly Parton, Reba McEntire, and Martina McBride. Even many male country singers and bands support it. And this is a group whose main fans are going to be the most likely people to be anti-ssm. When JC Penny's ran an ad a few father's days back featuring two gay fathers, people were calling for a boycott.

    JCPenney Responds to Homophobic Boycott Calls with Gay Father's Day Ad

    The same thing happened to Nabisco when they ran ads with rainbow colored Oreos in support of same sex marriage. Honey Maid faced a call for a boycott just in the past year over its commercial featuring (omg) a gay couple with a kid.

    Nabisco's Gay-Inclusive Honey Maid/Teddy Grahams Commercial Slammed By One Million Moms

    So yes, there are calls to boycott brands/people from those who are anti-ssm just as much as from those who are pro-ssm. They fail. Why? Because the majority are major household brands/names that people don't want to give up over such a stupid issue. In reality, the who Eich thing should not have gone where it did (I didn't approve), but it was due mainly to a company worried about their bottom line and recognizing that people support same sex marriage, especially young people, more than they are against it and that their main demographics in many areas (but especially technology) is young people. People overreact.
    Yes, people change their minds and fashions come and go. What was popular in the 50's changed in the 60's which changed in the 70's and so on. Every generation believes themselves to be on the cutting edge of social thought but are eventually proven wrong. At one time Christianity was commonplace and now it seems to have fallen out of favor with 'spirituality', or even Islam, taking its place. They still don't teach wisdom in Universities.

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    Re: Republicans: Obama must defend Christian values

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Yes, people change their minds and fashions come and go. What was popular in the 50's changed in the 60's which changed in the 70's and so on. Every generation believes themselves to be on the cutting edge of social thought but are eventually proven wrong. At one time Christianity was commonplace and now it seems to have fallen out of favor with 'spirituality', or even Islam, taking its place. They still don't teach wisdom in Universities.
    Really? Please tell me how those who supported integration or interracial marriages in the 1960s were "proven wrong"?

    Other religions didn't take the place of Christianity in most people's lives, reason did. Thinking for ourselves when it comes to what we believe in. That is true wisdom, knowing the difference between reflecting upon your beliefs and simply believing what others tell you and trusting them to be right.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Republicans: Obama must defend Christian values

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The targets of Islamists are western democracies and they will attack anyone who doesn't defer to their brand of Islam. Your concern about Christian zealots is overwrought, and nothing compared to the Islamists..
    Interesting that while I call out the religious fanatics on both ends - Christians and Muslims - you prefer to overlook this fact and focus on the Islamist and ignore over the top Christians just to spur Muslim extremism even further.

    Look, I don't like the so-called followers of the Muslim faith who co-op the religion any more than I do those of my faith, Christianity, who come across all holier than thou yet do the same thing. The only difference between the two is one group will strap a bomb to their chest to get their point across, whereas, in some cases the other is very willing to take up a gun to defend their religious beliefs. Neither are living up to scripture according to the teachings of Christ per the Gospels as far as I'm concerned. All are zealots.
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