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    Re: Republicans: Obama must defend Christian values

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    The religious right's power probably peaked in the 80's and has slowly been ebbing since then. My response to government and religion has always been government needs to stay out of religion. But government needs to ensure all people can practice their religion and worship in according to their religion anywhere and whenever they want.
    And I believe that is the point of the article. Did you read it all the way through? If not, you should.
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    Re: Republicans: Obama must defend Christian values

    Quote Originally Posted by Paxaeon View Post
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    I read someplace in the New Tea Party coloring book version of the US Constitution that presidents must defend Christian values as opposed to the Constitution itself.
    Well, since he's not doing the one perhaps they want him to at least do the other.

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    Re: Republicans: Obama must defend Christian values

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    And if you are Obama, you needs George Stephanopalous to remind you what your religion is:

    Really? You're going with that?

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    Re: Republicans: Obama must defend Christian values

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    Really? You're going with that?
    I guess you never heard of the Freudian slip.

    A Freudian slip, also called parapraxis, is an error in speech, memory, or physical action that is interpreted as occurring due to the interference of an unconscious ("dynamically repressed") subdued wish, conflict, or train of thought guided by the ego and the rules of correct behaviour. They reveal a "source outside the speech". The concept is thus part of classical psychoanalysis.

    Slips of the tongue and of the pen are the classical parapraxes, but psychoanalytic theory also embraces misreadings, mishearings, temporary forgettings, and the mislaying and losing of objects.
    Freudian slip - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    And if you think the Rev. Wright's church was 'Christian' I have some swamp land, er, real estate I'd like to sell you.
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    Re: Republicans: Obama must defend Christian values

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    I guess you never heard of the Freudian slip.
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    And you so desperately want to believe that. Tin hats for everyone! It would make your little fantasy come true. How sweet and tidy. Nothing like right wing extremist lunacy for entertainment.

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    Re: Republicans: Obama must defend Christian values

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    I really think they were calling for Christian values to be INCLUDED. Maybe you should reread the OP.
    Included in what exactly? We should not be defending any values except those of freedom and democracy or those that are deemed almost universally as atrocities, such as genocide or mass oppression.

    So tell me what exactly are "Christian values" which are not being defended by Obama but which should be. Hint: "Family and values" are not Christian in their nature. In fact, values belong to everyone, since everyone has some. And pretty much all cultures respect families, even if they may not be families like those that some Christians want to see as families.

    As for the persecution of Christians, I haven't seen any case where they weren't being defended against maltreatment just for being Christian. But that isn't standing up for Christian values, it is standing up for American values that hold that people should not be stoned, killed, or imprisoned simply because of their religious beliefs.
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    Re: Republicans: Obama must defend Christian values

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Millions, many millions around the world, are Muslim too. You think numbers makes a religion righteous?
    Of course not. Religions, like philosophies, differ from culture to country. This shouldn't need explaining.

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    Re: Republicans: Obama must defend Christian values

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And this is the problem. You are talking about you here but seem to think that all Christians or at least most Christians behave this way. It simply isn't true. Plus, you seem to believe that arguing against Christianity is the same as not following the Golden Rule. That again isn't true. A person can share their feelings about why they do not believe in a certain religion without being disrespectful.
    If you read my posts you'd see I said Christians try to follow the Golden Rule and the examples taught by Jesus Christ. That doesn't mean we'll always be successful, but we try. I cannot debate issues which you claim I 'seem to believe'.

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    Re: Republicans: Obama must defend Christian values

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    First of all, I never said Christians are only found in the US. I mentioned the US because it is US politicians calling for other US politicians to defend Christianity (despite Christianity not needing anymore defending than any other faith, in general). We, as a country, do not live by "Christian values". Many of us live by values, some which happen to be found within the Christian religion, as those values are also found within other religions and even just philosophies around the world.
    So you feel your philosophy would be the same as it is now if you were born in Afghanistan, North Korea, or India?

    Second, calling yourself a Christian is the only way for others to determine if you are Christian or not. Otherwise, there would be no true Christians, since everyone falls short. We don't know what's in a person's heart. But the only thing that really says whether a person is a Christian or not is that they believe that Jesus is the way to reach Heaven or know God. That is it. Bad Christians are still Christians. You don't get to discount them just because you don't want to be associated with them.
    People can call themselves Christians but you'll know better by their actions, the 'quality of their character'. Often, everywhere, a persons claim to following a religion is used for political purposes, a trait not limited to American politicians.

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    Re: Republicans: Obama must defend Christian values

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    I guess you never heard of the Freudian slip.



    Freudian slip - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    And if you think the Rev. Wright's church was 'Christian' I have some swamp land, er, real estate I'd like to sell you.
    Ahh yes, the "no true Scotsman" defense.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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