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John Doe prosecutors allege Scott Walker at center of 'criminal scheme'

It has nothing to do with feelings or emotions - it's just an observation. And I don't think it's Hillary it's having yet another Democrat pushing primarily the same destructive programs and policies that Obama has pushed. But then again, if the Senate and House go GOP, it really doesn't matter much if Hillary or any other Democrat gets in.

The election will go the way they usually do - against the party in power. 2017 will see a Republican President, and 2019 will see a Democratic Congress.

But it is partially emotion. All you have to do to a Repub is say the name "Hillary Clinton" and they run around screaming. Kind of like Dems with "Dick Cheney."
 
:agree: They have tried this before - and failed. The voters seem to like him, and that's what counts! :thumbs:

Greetings, humbolt. :2wave:

It was tried before when there wasn't a corrpution allegation. I think it will have an affect, it's just a question of how much and then will it be enough?
 
:agree: They have tried this before - and failed. The voters seem to like him, and that's what counts! :thumbs:

Greetings, humbolt. :2wave:

Yeah. The prosecutors attempt to make a case out of nothing and trampled over the constitutional rights of a lot of people in the process. The judges called them on it, and threw the whole thing out. Twice. Now they're looking to find a judge somewhere that will give them some traction for a case that doesn't exist in any real sense at all, and they've been told this twice by judges hardly sympathetic to Walker's politics. It's just desperation that their power might be eroded a bit to public benefit.
 
The election will go the way they usually do - against the party in power.
2017 will see a Republican President, and 2019 will see a Democratic Congress.

But it is partially emotion. All you have to do to a Repub is say the name "Hillary Clinton" and they run around screaming. Kind of like Dems with "Dick Cheney."

Yup. And in 2020 I will win a bazillion dollars for doing absolutely nothing.
 
It was tried before when there wasn't a corrpution allegation. I think it will have an affect, it's just a question of how much and then will it be enough?

Why him? What engenders these attacks on him? I can think of others that should be looked at, but get a pass. Is it just that he belongs to the "wrong" party? I recall how the demonstrators trashed the Court House and grounds in protest of his budget cuts, which were necessary for fiscal soundness!

Greetings, TheNextEra. :2wave:
 
Why him? What engenders these attacks on him? I can think of others that should be looked at, but get a pass. Is it just that he belongs to the "wrong" party? I recall how the demonstrators trashed the Court House and grounds in protest of his budget cuts, which were necessary for fiscal soundness!

Greetings, TheNextEra. :2wave:

You must misunderstand me, I know this is all political, however, it's like speeding. Even though everyone else is speeding too, when you get caught you really don't have a leg to stand on.

And since he is a public figure, that makes him more of a target. People don't really care when their neighbor is cheating on their spouse, but when a candidate does it then it becomes headline news.

I am in no way saying this is right (or even if he is guilty, that is for the investigation to find out), only acknowledging why it is happening. It is political, which is why public figures have their lives dragged through by the media and people.
 
You must misunderstand me, I know this is all political, however, it's like speeding. Even though everyone else is speeding too, when you get caught you really don't have a leg to stand on.

And since he is a public figure, that makes him more of a target. People don't really care when their neighbor is cheating on their spouse, but when a candidate does it then it becomes headline news.

I am in no way saying this is right (or even if he is guilty, that is for the investigation to find out), only acknowledging why it is happening. It is political, which is why public figures have their lives dragged through by the media and people.

And yet they will pay millions to win an election, so they have the opportunity to be demonized! Very strange when you think about it ... :lol:
 
And yet they will pay millions to win an election, so they have the opportunity to be demonized! Very strange when you think about it ... :lol:

Yes it is. It's all about the power and perks. It's the only reason people pay millions of dollars for a job that pays a couple hundred thousand a year.
 
I read through this thread, and have a question.
Has Scott Walker actually been charged with anything?
I see people ready to send him to prison,
but cannot find if charges have been filed.
 
I read through this thread, and have a question.
Has Scott Walker actually been charged with anything?
I see people ready to send him to prison,
but cannot find if charges have been filed.

No charges.
 
There is smoking gun paperwork which catches Walker dead to rights.

I don't see it that way.

And understand, I'm neither a Republican nor a Scott Walker fanboy; likewise, I'm neither a Democrat nor a union labor fanboy. And I don't live in Wisconsin.

I'm just an interested party with no real dog in this fight.

What I see, when I read the Response linked to in the OP article, is a lot of evidence that points to a lot of people around Walker having broken the law (and from what I've read elsewhere some of those people have already been found guilty of breaking laws, or are currently awaiting trial, or have plead to bargains, or have provided testimony in exchange for immunity - so I make no mistake - there has been a lot of lawbreaking going on in respect to getting Scott Walker elected).

But when it comes to Walker himself there are one or two emails that seem to indicate that he is somehow personally involved but I don't actually see any "smoking gun" that establishes guilt beyond a reasonable doubt or even beyond a preponderance of the evidence (evidence which of course we haven't seen in full at this point which is why the special prosecutor is trying to subpoena Walker's records)).

It seems like the special prosecutor's case keeps going back to the following:

Wis. Stat. § 11.10 said:
"Any committee which is organized or acts with the cooperation of or upon consultation with a candidate or agent or authorized committee of a candidate, or which acts in concert with or at the request or suggestion of a candidate or agent or authorized committee of a candidate is deemed a subcommittee of the candidate's personal campaign committee."

I think that at best, at the moment, we're looking at them building a "guilt by association" type case against Walker, essentially charging that lawbreaking by fundraising/electioneering organizations associated with the Walker campaign, due to the statute cited above, are tantamount to lawbreaking by the candidate himself, OR, some kind of "ignorance of the law is no excuse" type case where a handful of scattered incidents of actual, though potentially inadvertent, wrongdoing on Walkers part are woven into some elaborate conspiratorial tapestry.

Now, I think that those are the "worst case scenario" type cases that can currently be built against Walker, but by virtue of the fact that such cases can be built the special prosecutor is looking for a subpoena that will allow him to break Walker's records wide open in hope that when he does so all kinds of skeletons will fall out of the closet and evidence will come to light that actually is a "smoking gun" implicating Walker in any manner of deliberate and concerted wrongdoing.

As far as political motivation is concerned, of course it's a major factor here.

I don't think that Francis Schmitz's (the special prosecutor) behavior is politically motivated.

The guy is a career U.S. Army officer who was advanced by the Bush administration as a candidate for U.S. Attorney in Milwaukee. So I'd guess that he's probably either as middle-of-the-road as a political figure can get or even may lean slightly to the right.

But I would suspect that there's probably some professional motivation for pushing as hard as possible (tumbling a Governor and successfully prosecuting him as a criminal is probably a pretty big deal in the world of criminal prosecutors, maybe one step below impeaching a president).

But I do think that there are probably a bunch of folks beneath Schmitz, probably in his office as well as the folks who built the case up to the point where it was appointed a special prosecutor who are 100% politically motivated.

Last thing I'll add, because I see that a couple of papers seem to jump on it like it's the next best thing to an admission of guilt by Walker, is that I personally don't see Walker funneling money into his criminal defense fund as anything even close to an admission.

First of all, if you're attacked then you defend yourself. Especially so if you're innocent.

Second, if you're a politician, you defend against efforts to allow someone else authority to dig around in your papers. That's basic 4th Amendment stuff. If the court asked my to turn over my personal financial records, communications, and "papers" more generally I'd fight them too, even if I knew there was nothing in there that would establish my guilt in any sort of crime.

The court certainly has the right to ask (subpoena) that material, but I have a right, maybe even an obligation, to fight them.
 
Yup. And in 2020 I will win a bazillion dollars for doing absolutely nothing.

That's just the pattern. 8 years of one party in the WH, and we switch because everybody's sick of it. Only twice in the past 70 years has it gone otherwise (Truman and Bush I). 2016 election will flip the WH, I'm 98% certain of that.
 
That's just the pattern. 8 years of one party in the WH, and we switch because everybody's sick of it. Only twice in the past 70 years has it gone otherwise (Truman and Bush I). 2016 election will flip the WH, I'm 98% certain of that.

Yeah, you're right. I was just funnin ya.
 
What investigation isn't? Usually the lack of an investigation is just as political.

I think this may torpedo any Presidential aspirations. It is amusing how all the conservatives automatically say it's a witch hunt.

"All" the conservatives call it a witch hunt. I didn't. I said it was politically motivated, which you agree is the case. That isn't necessarily a witch hunt.
 
"All" the conservatives call it a witch hunt. I didn't. I said it was politically motivated, which you agree is the case. That isn't necessarily a witch hunt.

True. You're right. It could be political and real (in other words, he really did do something wrong, AND Dems want to get him).
 
True. You're right. It could be political and real (in other words, he really did do something wrong, AND Dems want to get him).

I'm not lawyer (I don't even play on on DP :mrgreen:) but on the surface it appears he did something wrong, and I'm sure the Dems want to get rid of him for a number of reasons.

The sheer number of politicians who I suspect have and do commit malfeaseance probably couldn't be documented inside the available bandwidth on DP. The ones who get caught are the only ones we hear about.

GAH I hate politics some days.
 
True. You're right. It could be political and real (in other words, he really did do something wrong, AND Dems want to get him).

True that. If the shoe were on the other foot, Karl Rove would be creaming his pants. LOL.
 
This is a major political bombshell. Looks like Governor Walker, who is considering a presidential run in 2016, is about to be indicted for corruption. But let me put a little wrinkle in this:

What is a felony in Wisconsin is perfectly legal in many other states, which begs the question..... Does Walker really deserve to go to prison over this? And this begs yet another question.... Is this investigation politically motivated?

Discussion?

Article is here.



So, based on that article the investigation went nowhere, the judge quashed the investigation in January, and now the prosecutors are taking their campaign to the news papers because they failed in court.

There is evidence of illegal political coordination going on here, but it is in the DA's office.


http://thefederalist.com/2014/06/20/a-basic-primer-on-the-scott-walker-case-for-ignorant-reporters/
 
Aaaaand The Washington Post finally runs a retraction saying that the breaking story was based on a unsubstantiated "theory" from the John Doe investigation and that the "theory" was thrown out by a judge.

All of this was, of course, common knowledge when the Post (and every other liberal rag and news outlet) ran its breathless front page news story about the non-existent investigation.
 
The leftist whackadoos in WI have really gone over the edge. Walker beat them in two elections so now they've resorted to baseless lawsuits. The left really is the scum of the earth.
 

Another source:

On Thursday, special prosecutor Francis Schmitz had his lawyer, Randall D. Crocker, say in a statement that he “has made no conclusions as to whether there is sufficient evidence to charge anyone with a crime.”

“At the time the investigation was halted, Gov. Walker was not a target of the investigation,” Crocker said. “At no time has he been served with a subpoena.”

Crocker said the documents that were made public were never designed to be released and outlined a prosecutor’s theory.

“In recent days, the documents and the allegations contained within have received significant media coverage,” said Crocker. “Contained in the documents is a reference to the request for production of documents that relates to an alleged criminal scheme. Gov. Walker’s name was included in this reference.

"While these documents outlined the prosecutor’s legal theory, they did not establish the existence of a crime; rather, they were arguments in support of further investigation to determine if criminal charges against any person or entity are warranted.”

I'm with DB20. Scummy.
 
This lawsuit is so transparent. The left in WI poured their heart and soul into the recall campaign and got beaten and embarrassed when Walker won the recall election. They're pissed off and are not going to let it go until they can somehow hurt Scott Walker. This is the essence of the modern American left, they are petty, fascist and vindictive to the core.

The left is always talking about how abortion is settled law and how Obama won the election so those who don't like him must deal with it yet when the shoe is on the other foot the left will try to subvert the democratic process and the will of the people at the drop of hat. The left did not respect either election in WI, the state senators actually ran away to IL because they could not get their way in the WI state legisltaure. Does everyone remember that? Can you imagine if the Republicans in Congress had fled to Canada to stop Obamacare from being passed.

Each new day in America brings forth more and more evidence of just what despicable, facsist, hypocritical, vile, bottom feeding, scum sucking pigs the leftists in this country are.
 
This lawsuit is so transparent. The left in WI poured their heart and soul into the recall campaign and got beaten and embarrassed when Walker won the recall election. They're pissed off and are not going to let it go until they can somehow hurt Scott Walker. This is the essence of the modern American left, they are petty, fascist and vindictive to the core.

The left is always talking about how abortion is settled law and how Obama won the election so those who don't like him must deal with it yet when the shoe is on the other foot the left will try to subvert the democratic process and the will of the people at the drop of hat. The left did not respect either election in WI, the state senators actually ran away to IL because they could not get their way in the WI state legisltaure. Does everyone remember that? Can you imagine if the Republicans in Congress had fled to Canada to stop Obamacare from being passed.

Each new day in America brings forth more and more evidence of just what despicable, facsist, hypocritical, vile, bottom feeding, scum sucking pigs the leftists in this country are.

I like you.
 
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