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South Carolina DMV tells gender non-conforming teen to remove makeup

DMV is in the wrong. Nowhere in that law does it say a person must dress according to a narrow definition of what sheltered people think those with their genitals ought to look like.

It's obvious just by looking at him that this is his every-day wear. He's grown out and highlighted his hair. His eyebrows are shaped. His make-up looks just like the make-up we see on plenty of women -- it's not "costume make-up." That's all a result of months or years of practice, and these are things that take time to create.

I've never heard of the DMV saying this to a woman who wears make-up.

I didn't watch closely so I don't know which pronoun reference they have chosen, but if he/she/it is your cousin perhaps you can enlighten us.

He states himself as a boy who is gender non-conforming. The correct pronoun is "he," which his mother uses as well. This is quite simple.

There is no reason to refer to someone as "it" unless you are being intentionally insulting. If you are truly totally stumped about someone's gender, "they" is an option which doesn't refer to someone as an object, and you know this.
 
He can be his own person on his own time. If there's a given standard then people need to deal with it. You can't run an operation like the DMV if everyone gets to make up their own rules.

This clown is no more special than anybody else no matter how much he, you or the whole damned pick your gender crowd wants to make him out to be.

I feel the compassionate conservatism. Can you feel it?

Seriously dude. You think this **** would fly in SF?
 
I do agree with this. Obey the rules and push to have them changed if you dont agree with them.




And I agree




And I agree with you.

If the rules aren't fair to all they should be changed.




"Tolerance is giving to every other human being every right that you claim for yourself."
~ Robert Green Ingersoll
 
And I agree with you.

If the rules aren't fair to all they should be changed.




"Tolerance is giving to every other human being every right that you claim for yourself."
~ Robert Green Ingersoll

This is nonsense. Other states have dealt with this without this BS. Honestly. This is total insanity.
 
The difference between his picture in the DL and everyday image are negligible. I'm not sure what the DMV people proved anything by having him take his make up off. All they did was give him fodder for cries of discrimination.
 
The difference between his picture in the DL and everyday image are negligible. I'm not sure what the DMV people proved anything by having him take his make up off. All they did was give him fodder for cries of discrimination.




They proved that if you want to get a driver's license in that state you have to obey their rules.
 
DMV is in the wrong. Nowhere in that law does it say a person must dress according to a narrow definition of what sheltered people think those with their genitals ought to look like.

It's obvious just by looking at him that this is his every-day wear. He's grown out and highlighted his hair. His eyebrows are shaped. His make-up looks just like the make-up we see on plenty of women -- it's not "costume make-up." That's all a result of months or years of practice, and these are things that take time to create.

I've never heard of the DMV saying this to a woman who wears make-up.



He states himself as a boy who is gender non-conforming. The correct pronoun is "he," which his mother uses as well. This is quite simple.

There is no reason to refer to someone as "it" unless you are being intentionally insulting. If you are truly totally stumped about someone's gender, "they" is an option which doesn't refer to someone as an object, and you know this.

I guess you didn't read the part where I did use "they". If you/yunz/y'all don't like he/she/it, then feel free to be insulted.
 
Wearing makeup...normal stuff...is usually fine but there are limits and they're pretty standard. A male dressing as a female would probably be well outside the limits anywhere.

Show me the law that says a person identified as "male" on their license cannot dress in what is typically considered female clothing, wear what is typically considered female hairstyles or jewelry, or wear makeup in a way that typically females wear it.

In fact, even if those laws existed, they would be unconstitutional.
 
They proved that if you want to get a driver's license in that state you have to obey their rules.

Not if the rules are discriminatory. In reality though, this wasn't about the rules at all because from a reasonable person POV, what this boy was wearing was not a disguise, but his normal attire. It was simply not what most boys wear, but many girls do. And that was the problem, the adult government workers here wanted to impose their personal views on what males and females should or should not wear on this boy, which is gender/sex discrimination, and not legal.
 
He can be his own person on his own time. If there's a given standard then people need to deal with it. You can't run an operation like the DMV if everyone gets to make up their own rules.

This clown is no more special than anybody else no matter how much he, you or the whole damned pick your gender crowd wants to make him out to be.

This isn't the DMV's "time". They are there to serve us. They are not there to dictate how males and females should appear. That is not their job.
 
The difference between his picture in the DL and everyday image are negligible. I'm not sure what the DMV people proved anything by having him take his make up off. All they did was give him fodder for cries of discrimination.

And this is pretty much it in a nutshell. Had they allowed him to take the picture without making him change himself in any way, and he was detained because of it (say he decided to change his look to more masculine) or not allowed to do something because of it, that would have been on him (and possibly whoever detained him/stopped him from doing something).

Now, though, the responsibility falls on the DMV and they are clearly violating the law here (it is sex/gender discrimination), so they are opened up to a lawsuit. Hopefully it will just be about getting a new license made as he wants to present himself, but he could go for more, and almost certainly would win.
 
From the Redskins ruling to this... And now we have the other end of the spectrum of political correctness. I get the disguise idea. But clearly this isn't about disguise per se. The DMV is just wrong on this.

[video]http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/us/2014/06/18/pkg-transgender-teen-told-to-remove-makeup-by-dmv.wyff.html[/video]

It sucks when government bureaucrats violate peoples's rights, huh?

The sad part, is that you people think you oughta have it both ways.
 
It sucks when government bureaucrats violate peoples's rights, huh?

The sad part, is that you people think you oughta have it both ways.




It certainly does.
 
They proved that if you want to get a driver's license in that state you have to obey their rules.

Or an arbitrary and/or capricious interpretation of them.
 
Do you know what's under all of that Hair?
Roots.
 
How do they deal with someone who wears a veil all of the time?

That actually depends on the government rules. Most states and even the US government require at least a certain amount of the face/head to be uncovered for an ID photo to be taken. That means no full-face coverings for most agencies/states, but certain agencies/states make exceptions for hair coverings and there might be a few that allow full burqas. Not sure if any states actually allow full face covering burqas to be worn for a license or ID card photo. Pretty sure most require all head or face coverings (referring to cloth coverings) be removed for a photo. This has very rarely, if ever been applied to face makeup in the manner that people wear makeup on a day to day basis, particularly women.

Rules About Wearing Islamic Clothing in ID Photos

It has come up before in Florida (at least) and the woman had her license revoked when she refused to retake her ID photo without the hijab on. She lost at least the first case in court.

LiveLeak.com - ACLU Supports Burkas And Veils In Photo ID's.

I believe the normal procedure is to simply have the photo taken in a different room, where only a female employee can see the woman's face. If an officer were to arrest a woman wearing a hijab/burqa/veil then she would still be eventually expected to show her face, even if it is only to a female officer.
 
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