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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    I don't think time makes a case though. The "tradition" argument is a tough one to try and stand on. Not to be too provocative but we traditionally had slaves for centuries so making elapsed time the case for keeping slavery isn't really a strong one to make. When slavery started it seemed to makes sense to society. Society changes over time.

    I mean 80 years ago natives really didn't have much of any voice at all in this country so if any native said anything negative about it... who knew and who would care back then? They still don't have much of a voice for that matter.
    Did you read how the name came about? It was in one of my posts to you. Someone also posted on this threat a poll done by Gallup I think of Native Americans/Indians which 90% said the name means nothing to them. 90% finds it inoffensive. Perhaps 10% is enough to try to get it changed, I don't know. But there is a certain segment of our society that will take offensive at anything.

    Being they tried to get the Braves to change their name, that stiffens my back to this change. Then we usually find out the ones pushing for the change is some white guy with nothing better to do than to think such and such should be offended by such and such name. When they aren't, it makes no difference to that white pushing it as he then thinks they are dumb for not being offended. At least that is how it was 15 years ago when the push was put on trying to get the Braves to change their name.

    Now the patent office, it has to be another goody two shoes behind that. But you're right, this might be a younger generation thing where us, at least me, old farts can't see or tell the difference. It all seems so asinine to go after a sports team nickname and logo. Like no one has anything better to do.
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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    and. it didn't happen.

    You do know that this is not the first attempt to get the Redskins to change the name. Past court cases were won by the team owner.
    The Redskins, Indians were also part of that push. So too were some colleges. I know the St. John's Redmen caved. I haven't the faintest idea what their name is now.
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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    as already said in this thread, FSU sought and got the blessing of the Seminoles to use their mascot. Native words and names like Oklahoma are not pejoratives. There are just words. No one is saying that all native words are insulting.
    So a team name of Redskin is insulting
    A State name meaning "redskin" is not.

    interesting how you think.

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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Did you read how the name came about? It was in one of my posts to you. Someone also posted on this threat a poll done by Gallup I think of Native Americans/Indians which 90% said the name means nothing to them. 90% finds it inoffensive. Perhaps 10% is enough to try to get it changed, I don't know. But there is a certain segment of our society that will take offensive at anything.

    Being they tried to get the Braves to change their name, that stiffens my back to this change. Then we usually find out the ones pushing for the change is some white guy with nothing better to do than to think such and such should be offended by such and such name. When they aren't, it makes no difference to that white pushing it as he then thinks they are dumb for not being offended. At least that is how it was 15 years ago when the push was put on trying to get the Braves to change their name.

    Now the patent office, it has to be another goody two shoes behind that. But you're right, this might be a younger generation thing where us, at least me, old farts can't see or tell the difference. It all seems so asinine to go after a sports team nickname and logo. Like no one has anything better to do.
    There are definitely more important things out there to accomplish. I'm not very passionate about this topic and I'm rather shocked at seeing people REALLY passionate about this topic. I can see taking a side but this thread is filled with as much if not more fervor than any other on this site. Kind of weird. As I said in a post way back, I can understand seeing varying angles on why Redskins can be viewed as rather offensive.
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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    Then why wait 47 years for the change?
    Why did it take 100 years to strike down Jim Crow laws? Why did it take 3000 years for women to be given equal footing in our society? Why did it take 5000 years of recorded history to recognize that slavery was inherently wrong? I don't know. Change takes time apparently. 47 years isn't that long of a period.

    Should team names of indians, or seminole be dropped from use? Should the State of Oklahoma change its name?
    To be honest, I'm not fond of names that emphasize race. Specially when they come at the cost of profiting from a people who were historically oppressed. Why is it there are no teams called "The Oakland White Boys" or the "Arizona Slaves"? Well, obviously those names would be considered offensive even if you whitewashed the names to give the impression that you are paying homage. So why the exception with Native Americans? It seems there is an unwritten exception when comes to creating a false narrative for a people who were oppressed, murdered, raped and enslaved. Trivializing their struggle with false narratives about "bravery" and being "warriors" when the reality is far more complicated doesn't serve an interest of any sort regardless of the race of people involved.

    Even the team name viking for all of its anachronisms (including the viking helmet) does a better job at being positive than redskin which has a factual connection to the noble savage complex that comes with "redskin".
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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    The Redskins, Indians were also part of that push. So too were some colleges. I know the St. John's Redmen caved. I haven't the faintest idea what their name is now.
    I'm completely blanking on the state and college, but in a similar caving case the Indian mascot became more popular than before the banning. While the official mascot changed and they pulled down the statue outside the stadium, anywhere you go in that town you see the mascot. It is on everything and there are even several statues of him outside local restaurants and bars. My brother worked there for a few weeks and sent along pictures of the place, I just can't recall where right now. It actually created a cottage industry in the town, with shops selling shirts, mugs and touristy trinkets all with the banned mascot outselling the new approved mascot merchandise. If only I could recall where, but my brother is not answering so I'm doomed to wonder until it finally comes to me!

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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    So a team name of Redskin is insulting
    A State name meaning "redskin" is not.

    interesting how you think.
    A Choctaw word for a people of a small region versus a pejorative saying all you Indians look alike... yeah. I'm the weird guy here. lol
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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    You don't get to decide what is disparaging to another group.
    So when's the lawsuit against cracker barrel?
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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    There are definitely more important things out there to accomplish. I'm not very passionate about this topic and I'm rather shocked at seeing people REALLY passionate about this topic. I can see taking a side but this thread is filled with as much if not more fervor than any other on this site. Kind of weird. As I said in a post way back, I can understand seeing varying angles on why Redskins can be viewed as rather offensive.
    Yeah, I am waiting on the wife to go to bed. So here I am. Ah, good. it is bed time. But if we hadn't went through this stuff with the Braves, I wouldn't give a care about the name change either. I am on the Redskins side, only because they had tried to get us to change the Braves name before. Good night my friend.
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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Yeah, I am waiting on the wife to go to bed. So here I am. Ah, good. it is bed time. But if we hadn't went through this stuff with the Braves, I wouldn't give a care about the name change either. I am on the Redskins side, only because they had tried to get us to change the Braves name before. Good night my friend.
    Good night Pero... I'm all alone in good silence. The wife is in NY for some computer classes. She's actually landed tickets and is front row at the Daily Show tonight.
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