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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I could understand a new patent not being issued, but not one that goes back 80 years and has already been issued.
    I don't think time makes a case though. The "tradition" argument is a tough one to try and stand on. Not to be too provocative but we traditionally had slaves for centuries so making elapsed time the case for keeping slavery isn't really a strong one to make. When slavery started it seemed to makes sense to society. Society changes over time.

    I mean 80 years ago natives really didn't have much of any voice at all in this country so if any native said anything negative about it... who knew and who would care back then? They still don't have much of a voice for that matter.
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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The name within the 'sociocultural landscape' is all positive.
    This has already been proven to be false.
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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    PC police does not exist. People make decisions good and bad everyday for whatever reason. Declaring there is this organized crew doing something just because someone in Whothefukknowswhere, Oklahoma made a judgement call they thought was prudent at the time... it's ridiculous. There is no PC police. Just people you disagree with who you wish to make seem bigger than they are. You are not a victim.
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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    This has already been proven to be false.
    By whom? The Redskin Five?

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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    By whom? The Redskin Five?
    Perotista just shared the actual history behind the naming of the Washington Redskins in #963, which puts to bed the idea that it was intended as a racial slur. This coupled with the fact that CBS reports that the only poll ever taken amongst the tribes found that 90% were not offended by the name? Leaves me wondering where posters like Hatuey get the idea that their arguments have been proven. Red Skin can certainly be used as a derogatory slur. As was the case with the naming of this team, it has been used in a rather benign non-slurring manner too.

    There may be no such literal thing as a PC police, but everybody understands what is meant by the phrase.

    For example, the "PC Police" would have us believe that naming the team and honoring team players from teh tribes on the team at the time? Was supposedly racist at the time, as well as now. Yet.......as Perotista showed us the actual history says otherwise!

    History[edit]
    The Washington Redskins were originally known as the Boston Braves. In 1933, co-owner George Preston Marshall changed the name to the Redskins, possibly in recognition of the then–head coach William Henry "Lone Star" Dietz, who claimed to be part Sioux. On July 6, 1933, the Boston Herald reported that "the change was made to avoid confusion with the Braves baseball team and the team that is to be coached by an Indian (Dietz)... with several Indian players."[6] Dietz's ancestry has been questioned by some scholars, as a birth certificate and census records recorded his parents as white. This does not preclude his having had Sioux ancestry as well.[7] In 1933, the Boston Braves moved from Braves Field, which they shared with baseball's Boston Braves, to Fenway Park, already occupied by the Boston Red Sox. John F. Banzhaf III, Professor of Public Interest Law at George Washington University Law School, cites a newspaper article from 1933 in which Marshall is quoted as saying the name was selected only to save money by not having to change the logo of the Braves, and not to honor Dietz or the Indian players.[8] There was however, no logo on the Braves football uniform of 1932. The Washington Redskins current logo, which was inspired by Native American, Walter Wetzel, former president of the National Congress of American Indians, was introduced in 1972.[9]

    And for the full story

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washing...me_controversy
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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    No one is a victim except the owners of the franchise and any business the government decides to shut down. Consumer Financial Protection Bureau Grants Itself Authority to Shut Down Any Business at Anytime - Katie Pavlich
    There are plenty of victims out there and they need help... so we don't need people volunteering to be victims. There is no such thing as the PC Police.
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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    By whom? The Redskin Five?
    I hate it when you come into a thread without reading. But here it is again:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1063422665

    Such contexts and, more importantly, the violent history of U.S. Indian policy, help explain why the 1898 Webster's Collegiate dictionary labeled red-skin "often contemptuous," as Peter Sokolowski of Merriam-Webster has pointed out. But our lexicographical take on the word remained complicated.
    During the entire history of America until the turn of the twentieth century, Indigenous Americans were hunted, killed, and forcibly removed from their lands by European settlers.[18] This includes the paying of bounties beginning in the colonial period with, for example, a proclamation against the Penobscot Indians in 1755 issued by King George II of Great Britain, known commonly as the Phips Proclamation.[19][20]

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    [21] However, a historical association between the use of "redskin" and the paying of bounties can be made. In 1863, a Winona, MN newspaper, the Daily Republican, printed among other announcements: "The state reward for dead Indians has been increased to $200 for every red-skin sent to Purgatory. This sum is more than the dead bodies of all the Indians east of the Red River are worth."
    Again, your statement is easily proven false.
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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Washington isn't in question here. It's the use of the term redskin.



    And this has already been shown to be nothing more than a whitewashing. Redskin has clear implications of race and little to do with "warrior".
    Then why wait 47 years for the change?

    Should team names of indians, or seminole be dropped from use?

    Should the State of Oklahoma change its name?

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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    As for the Braves, not this time and not by the patent. But some 10 to 15 years ago there was a real big push to get the Braves to change their name.
    and. it didn't happen.

    You do know that this is not the first attempt to get the Redskins to change the name. Past court cases were won by the team owner.

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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    Then why wait 47 years for the change?

    Should team names of indians, or seminole be dropped from use?

    Should the State of Oklahoma change its name?
    as already said in this thread, FSU sought and got the blessing of the Seminoles to use their mascot. Native words and names like Oklahoma are not pejoratives. There are just words. No one is saying that all native words are insulting.
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