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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    thanks for the clarification.

    I heard on the radio, (have not searched the web), that over 90% of Native Americans have no issue with the team name of Redskin.

    What I find interesting, the name/trademark has been issued for 47 years. Now it seems its an issue. Makes no sense to me.

    I have asked if the word redskin in association with the team has been used as a slur. No one has stated it has and provided a source.

    We cannot please everyone. I would bet the owner will take this to court. They have won in the past.

    I have also asked why trademarks like Florida Seminoles, Cleveland Indians, Alanta Braves are not being targeted. No real reply.
    Seems at one time the calling someone an "indian" was a slur.
    This is all PC being used for political gain.
    Can't speak for all but I believe FSU had the blessing of the Seminoles for their use of that. As far as Redskins being offensive... I dunno. I can see it in that it seems like a really really generalized stupid thing as if the Mohawks of the North East had anything in common with the Hopi in the Southwest. I'd think that "nigger" was probably derived from "negro" which is Spanish for black and Redskin was probably thrown out there for all natives whether they have a red color in their skin or not. I think the offense is being called out by your skin rather than your heritage in an over-generalized manner.

    Braves... calling someone brave is probably less of an insult. Cleveland Indians... well that's kind of insulting in that Indians is a misnomer being that Columbus was just an idiot who thought he traveled around the whole globe and had landed in India so people there where "Indians".

    I just think these people have a right to be heard as does the owner. But the owner has to bring more than just, "because I feel like it" or "it's been that way for a while" or anything petty like that. He needs to actually make a case for himself.

    I guess another angle to being offended would be that Washington was the center of basically deciding all the native genocides and broken truces at the same time generalizing them all as the same monolithic crew... when in fact they had a lot of animosity between them in many instances. It's like several years ago when a president of some south American country dared to say to the United States that "we are all Americans after all" and the right-wing just flew the hell off the handle about that. It was all a "How dare you say you are like us!" moment.
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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    That is ****ing tyranny and absolute bias and this has been done for no other reason than for political reasons and because democrats are epic tyrants.
    Well, it's official. Being against the continued marketing of a racial slur used to discriminate against NAs is... tyrannical. Lol.
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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    My apologies



    The whole thread's premise from mostly the right is that those offended by the Redskin logo shouldn't be heard or their voices should be dismissed out of hand. They where offended and they spoke up about it and now people are hating on them for being offended. I'm here saying you can say all the offensive crap you want and they can be offended all they want and neither of you should shut up. Everyone should show their true colors.



    And they spoke their piece to the patent office and now Snyder can appeal and make his case. Free speech is great ain't it?
    Free speech is great, I agree. I've said that a lot in this thread.

    The thread's premise is that the Federal Government through the Patent Office (not usually a target of the right or left) declared that a long established trademark was offensive to 5 people and thus should be abolished. You are saying that people on here are mad at those 5 Native Americans, and I'm saying that isn't so, unless you can point to repeated posts that contradict that.

    The obvious frustration from everyone I've read is that the Federal Government is now deciding what is offensive and what isn't, and most noteworthy in this case, based on the complaints of 5 people only. Not 5000 or 5 million, but 5. You don't have an issue with that, but a lot of us do, and our reasons have been laid out in this thread over and over again. A slippery slope is obvious in this situation, hence the jokes and probably some real concerns about what will happen to names, logos, etc. going forward.

    It isn't about the people who complained. By the way, there were 3 judges on that panel. One dissented. In his dissent, he said that the 5 people presented no evidence whatsoever of any harm that was being inflicted on them by that name being used by a football team. That is a red flag to me. And that's pretty much what has spurred the discussions here, not that anyone is calling for the First Amendment rights of those 5 people be ignored or attacked which is what you keep saying has happened.

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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    thanks for the clarification.

    I heard on the radio, (have not searched the web), that over 90% of Native Americans have no issue with the team name of Redskin.

    What I find interesting, the name/trademark has been issued for 47 years. Now it seems its an issue. Makes no sense to me.

    I have asked if the word redskin in association with the team has been used as a slur. No one has stated it has and provided a source.

    We cannot please everyone. I would bet the owner will take this to court. They have won in the past.

    I have also asked why trademarks like Florida Seminoles, Cleveland Indians, Alanta Braves are not being targeted. No real reply.
    Seems at one time the calling someone an "indian" was a slur.
    This is all PC being used for political gain.
    As for the Braves, not this time and not by the patent. But some 10 to 15 years ago there was a real big push to get the Braves to change their name.
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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    As for the Braves, not this time and not by the patent. But some 10 to 15 years ago there was a real big push to get the Braves to change their name.
    That one I never got. Braves were warriors, in a good way. The other commonly used word "brave" is a compliment, not an insult.

    The opposite of "Braves" IMO would be "Mighty Ducks" or something equally as weak. I'd rather be a brave than a duck.

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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Clarification - 5 natives were offended by the Redskin team name.

    None of this changes the fact that the federal government sided with 5 offended people over millions who weren't offended. That is the very definition of PC Police.
    You need to get over the 5 people thing. It's 5 people who brought the case. I don't think you can say that only five people are offended total.
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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    You need to get over the 5 people thing. It's 5 people who brought the case. I don't think you can say that only five people are offended total.
    The case was decided on the testimony and arguments of those 5 people, Rob. And only those 5 people. So how many were really offended is 1, not known, and 2, wasn't relevant, assuming the judges applied the law and the testimony when making their decision.

    That's like saying "well while we're considering whether to convict this guy of killing his neighbor or not based on the evidence we should also ponder whether he may have killed more people somewhere along the line." That isn't the way our justice system works. You look at the case and the case alone.

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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    That one I never got. Braves were warriors, in a good way. The other commonly used word "brave" is a compliment, not an insult.

    The opposite of "Braves" IMO would be "Mighty Ducks" or something equally as weak. I'd rather be a brave than a duck.
    Native Americans: The Noble Savage: The Brave

    This fabrication of the American Indian by White American culture began around the 1820s, driven by the desire to create a mythic American past. Other heroic mythologies created around this time include imagery about Christopher Columbus, the Pilgrims and their first Thanksgiving, and the casting of the Founding Fathers as demigods. With the Indians East of Appalachia subdued (and ultimately removed by the 1830s), anxiety about them subsided temporarily, allowing for national feelings about Indians to develop into a kind of schizophrenic depiction of them. There were still plenty of "bad" Indians in the American consciousness, but now there was room for re-invention, and the noble savage was created. Perhaps the single largest contribution to the creation of the Noble Savage was the publication of Henry Wadsworth Longfellow's epic poem, The Song of Hiawatha in 1855. Longfellow's Hiawatha was an Indian with magic powers from the Lake Superior region who became a prophet and a guide. From the body of a stranger he conquered, Hiawatha got corn. He defeated disease-bearing Pearl-Feather with
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    This history has led to a legacy of internalized oppression that comes from centuries of
    dehumanizing practices intended to promote American Indian self-hatred and
    encourage non-American Indian’s to believe that they are heroic conquerors (Munson,
    2001; King & Springwood, 2000; Staurowsky, 1998; Adams, 1995; Drinnon, 1980).

    Oddly enough, even though most American Indian leaders and organizations have been
    voicing their discontent with the mockery and trivialization of their religion and culture,
    no one seems to be listening (Sheppard, 2004; Springwood, 2001; U. S. Commission
    on Civil Rights, 2001; Sigelman, 1998; Pewewardy, 1991; Mechling, 1980). In fact many
    people, including some American Indians, continue to believe that American Indian
    mascots and symbols serve to honor American Indian people, even though less than
    ten percent of American Indians surveyed in a 2001 Indian Country Today poll felt that
    mascots and symbols generally honored American Indian communities.
    - CCAR

    WHEREAS, two professional sports teams by the stereotypical nature of their names, "The Washington Redskins" and "The Atlanta Braves" persist in encouraging stereotypical thinking about Native Americans and further by their names and emblems encourage us to think stereotypical thoughts,
    I wish you'd do research on this topic.
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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    There is no such thing as PC police. Anyone pushing that whiny diatribe is doing nothing but playing the victim card. No one is out to get you. There are no PC police. You can say all the heinous crap you want... just like you did in that last post... and I'll bet that there have been no police knocking on your door since you said that heinous crap have there?
    There certainly are PC police. They inhabit some of the public schools for instance....where a child can get suspended or expelled for eating a pop tart into the shape of a gun. They inhabit congress...for instance Harry Reid insisting on the Washington Redskins changing their name.

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