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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Yup. And if we want to continue that, all we need to do is be butt hurt and whiny and victims and all upset over trivial things and victims and hypersensitive about any slight to ensure that nobody sees us as ordinary citizens with the same capabilities and character and abilities and emotional stability and personal toughness as anybody else.

    If Native Americans/Indians want to be seen as different and more vulnerable et al than everybody else, one way to make sure they retain that image is to make something like changing the name of the Washington Redskins really REALLY important and necessary.
    What about the people who are "butt hurt and whiny and victims and all set over trivial things and victims and hypersensitive" when society asks them to stop being insensitive, narcissistic pricks? Apparently it is easier to ask a minority to put up with alienating attitudes than to treat their fellow countrymen with respect.

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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Same difference.
    I wouldn't expect you to understand the nuance.
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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Alright, so now that your first argument (because members of the race use it, it's not derogatory) has been completely exposed as ridiculous. You've shifted gears into a snarky "Well you should go tell them!" - Why should I? People are educated every single day about the use of this word and its historical implications. Hell, it was exposed so easy all it took were other examples of a race using racist institutions, vocabulary and infrastructure without really understanding the social and cultural and implications that come along with their usage.

    So now you've shifted it into... well "I never exterminated anyone". Nobody claimed you had. I simply pointed out the incredible irony and self serving bs mentality that is required for praising the "fighting spirit" of a people that were exterminated while being called redskins. Specially when the praising comes in the form of naming a football team.... that makes money off a highly fictionalized account of Native American cultures..... the "Redskins".
    Please point to the post I made where I said anything about praising fighting spirits. I'll wait. And while you're at it, also tell me who you know was exterminating Native Americans while calling them "redskins". I don't know anyone who did that.

    If you think the name "Redskins" is so bad, do something about it. You're the one whining about it being an awful name, not me. If the Native Americans themselves have no issue with it, why would I?

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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    Don't ever go to the U.K. Your head will explode.
    Been there many times. I have a large customer over there and I was just in England in January. Nobody called me the "c" word.

    Can I be offended by the word even though I'm in the majority in this country (women)? Or by your logic, should I just suck it up if someone calls me that word?

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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    I wouldn't expect you to understand the nuance.
    Oh, I understand the Leftist double standard just fine, sport...lol!
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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Thank you for not typing out that word. I hate it.

    And you are 1000% correct. I defy anyone to tell me I shouldn't be offended by that word just because as a woman, I'm not in the minority.

    I'd like to see that logic stand up in court if my boss calls me that word in front of a room of people.
    I would withhold that thanks. I typed it in full, the word censor on this forum censors it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post

    Women hold a minority status sociologically
    Knew that you'd just keep wiggling around it. Let's be frank..."minority" is any group that isn't white, male, christian and some excuse for suggesting it's a minority can be found, even though many of these same types of arguments could be used to term those other groups as minorities (whites are minority compared to non-whites; males are an actual minority in terms of population in this country; fundamentalist christians, as an example, are a minority compared to non-fundementalists in this country).

    The "minority" argument is simply an emotional appeal, as evidenced by how absolutely hollow and continually moving the term is as a means of protecting groups that an individual feels deserves protection and excusing attacks, insults, or assults on groups they think absolutely warrant it.

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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    What about the people who are "butt hurt and whiny and victims and all set over trivial things and victims and hypersensitive" when society asks them to stop being insensitive, narcissistic pricks? Apparently it is easier to ask a minority to put up with alienating attitudes than to treat their fellow countrymen with respect.

    If you view this as petty on one side, you have to recognize this is petty on the other side too.
    All I am saying is that if we want to do away with racism meaning that skin color will be seen as of no more importance than eye color or hair color, the various races are going to have to stop demanding that they be seen as of a particular race and deferred to because of that. It won't happen if they continue to make issues out of things like the name of the Washington Redskins that has never harmed a single Native American person ever. We cannot be non racist so long as we are required to be sensitive to the slightest nuance or 'objectionable' comment that could possibly offend somebody.

    How about we start focusing on treating everybody exactly the same and making certain words socially unacceptable as they used to be, but otherwise no big deal? Then and then only, can people of minority groups take their rightful place as ordinary citizens and be seen as just people instead of members of some minority group.
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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Please point to the post I made where I said anything about praising fighting spirits.
    You're not a fan of reading and keeping up with debates when you're losing - are you?

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    What was it? "Fighting spirit" Grim talked about. You know, the fighting spirit that got 25 million of them exterminated.
    I'll wait. And while you're at it, also tell me who you know was exterminating Native Americans while calling them "redskins". I don't know anyone who did that.
    I wish you actually could extrapolate what you're reading or had access to a library.

    Redskin (slang) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    During the entire history of America until the turn of the twentieth century, Indigenous Americans were hunted, killed, and forcibly removed from their lands by European settlers.[18] This includes the paying of bounties beginning in the colonial period with, for example, a proclamation against the Penobscot Indians in 1755 issued by King George II of Great Britain, known commonly as the Phips Proclamation.[19][20] The proclamation orders, “His Majesty’s subjects to Embrace all opportunities of pursuing, captivating, killing and Destroying all and every of the aforesaid Indians.” The colonial government paid 50 pounds for scalps of males over 12 years, 25 pounds for scalps of women over 12, and 20 pounds for scalps of boys and girls under 12. Twenty-five British pounds sterling in 1755, worth around $9,000 today —a small fortune in those days when an English teacher earned 60 pounds a year.[19] Since the proclamation itself does not use the word, citing it as the origin of "redskin" as another word for scalp has also been called "revisionist history".[21] However, a historical association between the use of "redskin" and the paying of bounties can be made. In 1863, a Winona, MN newspaper, the Daily Republican, printed among other announcements: "The state reward for dead Indians has been increased to $200 for every red-skin sent to Purgatory. This sum is more than the dead bodies of all the Indians east of the Red River are worth." [22]
    If you think the name "Redskins" is so bad, do something about it.
    I'm supporting the PO on this.
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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You're not a fan of reading and keeping up with debates when you're losing - are you?




    I wish you actually could extrapolate what you're reading or had access to a library.

    Redskin (slang) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia





    I'm supporting the PO on this.
    So you're asking me to weigh in on something Grim said?

    What a collosal waste of my time. You have something to say about Grim's post? Say it to him. I'm neither his mommy nor his keeper.

    Ugh.

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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Knew that you'd just keep wiggling around it. Let's be frank..."minority" is any group that isn't white, male, christian and some excuse for suggesting it's a minority can be found, even though many of these same types of arguments could be used to term those other groups as minorities (whites are minority compared to non-whites; males are an actual minority in terms of population in this country; fundamentalist christians, as an example, are a minority compared to non-fundementalists in this country).

    The "minority" argument is simply an emotional appeal, as evidenced by how absolutely hollow and continually moving the term is as a means of protecting groups that an individual feels deserves protection and excusing attacks, insults, or assults on groups they think absolutely warrant it.
    There is no "wiggling". Take a sociology class at your local junior college. You can't deny that women held a "second class citizen" status for a long time. To deny that is absurd. Maybe you slept through the women's liberation movement. That movement was because there were treated as a minority.

    Yes, technically, males are a minority. White males have never held a minority status sociologically though. Even minority males have held a higher status than minority females.
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