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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I suggested there'd be a better chance of a protest occuring by fans if the name IS changed than there is to get the hane changed. I was not suggesting either was actually likely to occur. Nor did I suggest the protests would be specificlly due to the name, but rather the name change would help cause it. The protests would likely be due to anger with the team/nfl/congress (depending how it occured) for changing what has long been an integral part of the identity of the team.

    I'd think there'd be a better chance of a Protest occuring by fans if they decided to change the colors from Burgundy and Gold than there would be for a protest by fans against the name.

    A study was recently talked about on the radio around here where a University measured fan motivations for loyalty and the spending of money for various sports franchises. The top motivating factor for the Redskins, similar to the Packers and Steelers, was the notion of legacy/tradition. This is likely in large part due to the fan base experiencing their greatest joys almost 2 to 3 decades ago and have been rather poor since then, so there's a strong identity with the past. Changing parts of that tradition....of which the name, the colors, the fight song are integral parts...will likely have a significant impact within the fan base.
    Yep. It would sever the emotional attachment to the team. It would be like an expansion team coming in.
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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    You, me and the entire Chinese industrial complex can now buy a silk screen machine, print Redskin Gear on everything under the sun until we run out of ink and sell it at a few bucks a shot without anyone demanding a cut.
    Well, that's a bit simplistic and not entirely true.

    First, you absolutely can't do that right now. They have somewhere between 30 to 60 days (not sure exaclty) to appeal, during which they're still protected. Once the appeal occurs, they're still protected. So you're not at that point yet.

    Second, even if the court does uphold the decision this time, it's still not a slam dunk that you can get away with selling that stuff in the states without an injunction. I don't know the in's and out's of the law, but legal experts I've been hearing/reading have suggested there's at least a chance that a case can be made under common law that the Washington Redskins have utilized the name exclusively within the public arena for so long that they can still legally combat other individuals that attempt to utilize their name in a way that is clearly referencing the team as a means of making a profit.

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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Why you do think being offended should matter in terms of law?
    "Redskin" is not being outlawed. The government is just not going to protect the term with regards to trademarking.
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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    "Redskin" is being outlawed. The government is just not going to protect the term with regards to trademarking.
    Is that somehow supposed to mean it's not a violation of the first amendment?

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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I suggested there'd be a better chance of a protest occuring by fans if the name IS changed than there is to get the hane changed. I was not suggesting either was actually likely to occur. Nor did I suggest the protests would be specificlly due to the name, but rather the name change would help cause it. The protests would likely be due to anger with the team/nfl/congress (depending how it occured) for changing what has long been an integral part of the identity of the team.

    I'd think there'd be a better chance of a Protest occuring by fans if they decided to change the colors from Burgundy and Gold than there would be for a protest by fans against the name.

    A study was recently talked about on the radio around here where a University measured fan motivations for loyalty and the spending of money for various sports franchises. The top motivating factor for the Redskins, similar to the Packers and Steelers, was the notion of legacy/tradition. This is likely in large part due to the fan base experiencing their greatest joys almost 2 to 3 decades ago and have been rather poor since then, so there's a strong identity with the past. Changing parts of that tradition....of which the name, the colors, the fight song are integral parts...will likely have a significant impact within the fan base.
    The "Skins" could be an acceptable compromise.
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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Just so I'm clear, what the PO has done is to allow more entities than the Redskins to utilize a disparaging trademark?

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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Why you do think being offended should matter in terms of law?
    You're hitting the nail on the head.

    If 10% of the population is offended by something, does the government now have the right to force a change to comply with the wishes of those 10%? Theoretically, anything in our society can offend 10% of the population, especially a society that has over 300 million people. Think of the possibilities.

    What's to stop 10% of the apple farmers here in New England from saying they are offended that Microsoft is trying to represent Apples as technology instead of fruit?
    There's a Mexican restaurant chain here in NH called "Shortys". What's to stop 10% of the little people population from forcing them to change the name (something that they could probably ill afford to do)?
    What's to stop 10% of the blondes in this country from demanding that "Easy Blonde" beer no longer be manufactured because it offends us?
    What's to stop 10% of the white people from saying that "Cracker Barrel" is offensive, forcing them to also change the name, marketing, sigs, ads, etc.?

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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Is that somehow supposed to mean it's not a violation of the first amendment?
    Are you sure you understand the First Amendment?

    Where's the outrage when states reject vanity license plate requests?
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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by PerfectStorm View Post
    Just so I'm clear, what the PO has done is to allow more entities than the Redskins to utilize a disparaging trademark?
    That's pretty much it.

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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    No, the sensitive people will continue to melt down about it. The other NFL owners will get pissed because merchandise is pooled and the revenue shared, and they won't want to take a hit. Harry Reid will carry on on the Senate floor again soon enough. One of the Redskin cheerleaders will hire Gloria Allred to represent her. It will re-emerge.
    Most especially, as you have already alluded, the Washington Redskins name is the safe wag the dog issue of the moment. It takes focus off of Iraq imploding, obscuring the disappearance of two years of Lois Lerner's and now six other people's e-mails and her hard drive being recycled right in the midst of the height of the IRS scandal, and ensures that the Obamacare nightmare won't be prominently back in the news prior to the upcoming election.

    I wondered what they would come up with. This appears to be it.
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