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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    That settles it! An article by slate that you didn't bother to read settles it! Only...

    Conservative pundit Charles Krauthammer, too, has weighed in on the connection between redskin's power to offend and its origins when he compared it to the derogatory verb gyp:


    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Krauthammer
    When I was growing up, I thought 'gyp' was simply a synonym for 'cheat,' and used it accordingly. It was only when I was an adult that I learned that gyp was short for gypsy. At which point, I stopped using it.
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    Nonetheless, it is easy to see from 19th-century newspapers that the term did frequently appear in the context of violence by and against Indians. Stories about life-or-death encounters with hostile tribes can be found by searching redskin in Chronicling America, the National Digital Newspaper Database.

    But the informal usage of redskin seems to have made it especially inviting to the creators of frontier tales.

    Such contexts and, more importantly, the violent history of U.S. Indian policy, help explain why the 1898 Webster's Collegiate dictionary labeled red-skin "often contemptuous," as Peter Sokolowski of Merriam-Webster has pointed out. But our lexicographical take on the word remained complicated.



    In short, this article presents many views on the word, you only showed the part you wanted.
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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    The Redskins are a racist league played by Redskins and that white people wouldn't be caught alive participating in? Are you actually trying to parallel the two?
    No, read the actual post instead of trying your hardest to be asinine. I correctly pointed out that using a particular part of the races' acceptance of a word does not make it any less derogatory.
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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    That settles it! An article by slate
    Yeah, that bastillion of right wing news… Slate.
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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    No, read the actual post instead of trying your hardest to be asinine. I correctly pointed out that using a particular part of the races' acceptance of a word does not make it any less derogatory.
    If they do not see it as derogatory... then why is it derogatory again?

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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    How many times have you called a Native American a "redskin" as a means of insulting them? How many times have you heard the term used outside of the team we all know and hate (at least we Giants fans hate them!)?
    I'm not familiar with too many slurs directed at American Indians. After all few people have reason to insult them anymore since they aren't around much these days. But, Redskins would be one. I am sure.

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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    If they do not see it as derogatory... then why is it derogatory again?
    I'm assuming you liked Arbo's post without actually reading it and how it completely obliterates that type of argument:

    Read the article you liked:

    Redskins: The debate over the Washington football team's name incorrectly invokes history.

    Conservative pundit Charles Krauthammer, too, has weighed in on the connection between redskin's power to offend and its origins when he compared it to the derogatory verb gyp:

    When I was growing up, I thought 'gyp' was simply a synonym for 'cheat,' and used it accordingly. It was only when I was an adult that I learned that gyp was short for gypsy. At which point, I stopped using it.
    In short - words have meanings - even if some within the group don't find them derogatory, it's still there. If you want me to make it even simpler: just because you have black friends, and they think it's cool for you to use the word nigger, it doesn't make it any less of a slur.
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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Women were treated badly 100 years or more ago too. Should Baylor be forced to change the name of their female sports teams from "Lady Bears"?
    A local high school is the Rams... and the girls teams are called the Lady Rams.

    Ummm, shouldn't they be called the Ewes?
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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Again with the Negro Leagues. We aren't talking about the Negro Leagues, nor are we talking about black people and why they joined the only leagues they COULD join at the time.
    I repost:

    Your inability to comprehend the relationship between your statement and the Negro League example because you don't have the knowledge necessary to comprehend it is not my problem.
    You're obviously not friends with extrapolation.

    Or are you saying that the reservation schools (with 100% Native American populations in them) have no choice but to use what you consider a slur?
    That they use it doesn't make it any less of a slur. What part of that don't you understand?

    So people shouldn't make money on the backs of others? Then when are you going to scream about the Vikings? How many Vikings play for the NFL in Minnesota?

    Good grief.
    Look C.B., your comparisons simply aren't even remotely the same. The Vikings? What ethnic group currently living in North America are they named after? None? Alright. Moving on. The point of your argument was a weak one. If some NAs like it, why is it slur and why is it bad to use it? Actually, it was a slur before they started using it. Arbo provided the context in which the word has been used for the past 200 years, though it has gone back and forth for about half that time, the last 100 years it has been covered with the same noble savage, violent savage tinge that idealizes NAs without seriously looking at the effects of that word. Now, you can keep complaining and complaining - but it's a slur. It's no different than nigger or mick or slut or even guinea. It's a slur. There is nothing positive about it and that it's still being used perpetuates false stereotypes of that ... what was it? "Fighting spirit" Grim talked about. You know, the fighting spirit that got 25 million of them exterminated.
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