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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Ah, so, it isn't really a racial slur then, is it?
    Go say it then.


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    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Kind of like black people who played in the Negro Leagues. But yeah...
    No, because that has nothing to do with what I posted.

    Why would Navajo Indians in AZ intentionally slur themselves if the term "Redskins" is a slur?

    By the way, most people don't use the term "Negro" anymore. You must be confusing me with Harry Reid.

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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Yeah but the 40 million was good to cover your 4 on Harry wasn't it.
    You should have short-quoted me for band-width--I do it all the time.
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    We aren't talking about the GOP.
    Join us on topic or quote someone else's posts.
    This was a waste of 40 seconds, 35 of it trying to read your gibberish and 5 typing this response.
    Having a laugh is never a waste, especially when you're learning.

    The Redskin apparel, uniforms and insignia should be accompanied with some sort of PC bull**** like a cigarette warning,
    proclaiming the virtues of Native American Redskins.

    Otherwise, the NRA could push for the Washington Semi-Automatics .
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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Go say it then.
    Why, because they're too stupid to realize it? You're making it out that it should be obvious to everyone. You apparently think those Native Americans are too dumb to realize the obvious.

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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    That I agree with, though undoubtably for a different reason than you. The Redskins PR staff's incompetence rivals that of John Huntsman campaign managers in the last primary season. They've been RIDICULOUSLY stupid in this whole thing. The worst thing you can do with a ridiculous persons ridiculous bull**** is to actually respond to it as if it's legitimate and worthy of discussion. The Redskins had largely not addressed the issue for years and as such it would flare up once in a while but quickly die out because no one really gave a ****, the majority of native americans included. But for whatever idiotic reason the Redskins thought it'd be intelligent to try and make a comment against it at one those flare up points and then have CONTINUED to make comments over and over again....often in ridiculously stupid fashion...that has kept this going. At this point the various PR backlash (which is bad) and boycotts (Which are in reality largely irrelevant in terms of their impact thus far) are absolutely in large part their own doing.
    Its none of the friggin government business what the teams name is.

    The friggin government has enough crap it has gotten itself into to worry about what a damn team is named....

    Speaking of teams names, when is Obama's hometown team changing its name? Chicago Blackhawks? Lets see him use the police power of government to force them into changing their name.
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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    None of which changes that it was still conducted in accordance with the standards for scientifically conducting such a poll. The entire purpose of polling is to garner a sample that can then realistically be extrapolated to the samples group at large.
    The accuracy of polls significantly degrades when measuring very small subgroups.
    I admit, it's an old poll. The data may have changed slightly. But once again I'll note it is the most recent FACTUAL EVIDENCE on this manner that I've seen. if you have something more recent please present it. Otherwise I'll go with scientifically conducted, FACTUAL, information over anecdotal evidenced based primarily over whose loudest and gets the most media attention (Which has been deridingly skewed)
    Agreed, it's the best we have. But it should be weighted according to its reliability which is better than nothing, but not great.
    I find this funny that you claim "native americans", stated in this broad fashion, have been complaining since the 60's...but then suddenly you're suggesting that native americans didn't have the knowledge to be introspective on the issue
    Touche' Point you.
    Not all native americans are members of active tribes.
    True, but aren't those the ones we should be most concerned with?
    Once again, native americans on reservations are not the only native americans. Secondly, that still provides for a significant sample on reservations that were able to answer a land line poll. Once again, do some research and take some classes on how polling is conducted....the entire purpose for scientific polling is an understanding that you can't reach every single person within a population.
    Yes, but statically understating demographically concentrated areas will skew your polls.
    Which is why it's accurate to claim, at the very least, 90% of native americans are not bothered by the name.
    And no, that's not accurate.. In any statistical query you're going to have a confidence measure. I'd say that you could say with 10% confidence that 90% of Native Americans are not bothered by the Redskins name.
    You find me something "more accurate" or "more recent" and I'll be happy to have it. If you don't, all you're doing is pissing and moaning with quibbles and casting stones because I'm actually going off something factually sound and you're going off pure and utter anecdotal. You say the poll has issues? I say your factual evidence as to the names offense or the belief of native americans that it should be changed to be nonexistent. I'll take some minor issues over nonexistent.
    There's nothing more recent. But things don't become more true in the absence of other information.

    My first take on this was that it was rubbish. The Redskins have been the redskins since forever, how could anyone find that offensive? Then I thought about what the name actually means, who it refers to, and what we did to the people it refers to. Then suddenly I could see why people would find it offensive.

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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Native Americans and organizations opposed[edit]
    Which would be wonderful if I was suggesting that NO native americans or native americans organizations were opposed to the name. There are absolutely some. I've asked for evidence that "native americans" as a conglomerate group find it offensive, or evidence showing the amount/percentage of the native american population that have issue with it.

    Many of those groups were outwardly opposed to the name back in 2004 too. So that doesn't really change things.

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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Native Americans and organizations opposed[edit]
    The following groups have passed resolutions or issued statements regarding their opposition to the name of the Washington NFL team:
    Tribes[edit]
    Affiliated Tribes of Northwest Indians[154]
    Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma[154]
    Comanche Nation of Oklahoma[154]
    The Confederated Tribes of the Colville Reservation (Washington)[154]
    Grand Traverse Band of Ottawa and Chippewa Indians (Michigan)
    Hoh Indian Tribe[155]
    Inter Tribal Council of Arizona[156]
    Inter-Tribal Council of the Five Civilized Tribes[157]
    Juaneño Band of Mission Indians (California)[154]
    Little River Band of Ottawa Indians (Michigan)
    Match-E-Be-Nash-She-Wish Band of Pottawatomi Indians, Gun Lake Tribe (Michigan)[158]
    Menominee Tribe of Indians (Wisconsin)[154]
    Oneida Indian Nation (New York)[159]
    Oneida Tribe of Indians of Wisconsin[154]
    Navajo Nation Council[98]
    Penobscot Nation[160]
    Poarch Band of Creek Indians[161]
    Samish Indian Nation (Washington)[162]
    Sault Ste. Marie Tribe of Chippewa Indians (Michigan)[163]
    Shoshone-Bannock Tribes (Idaho)[164]
    Standing Rock Sioux Tribe (North Dakota)
    The Three Affiliated Tribes of the Fort Berthold Indian Reservation (North Dakota)[165]
    United South and Eastern Tribes (USET)[166]
    Organizations[edit]
    Advocates for American Indian Children (California)
    American Indian Mental Health Association (Minnesota)
    American Indian Movement[167]
    American Indian Opportunities Industrialization Center of San Bernardino County
    American Indian Student Services at the Ohio State University
    American Indian High Education Consortium
    American Indian College Fund
    Americans for Indian Opportunity
    Association on American Indian Affairs
    Buncombe County Native American Inter-tribal Association (North Carolina)
    Capitol Area Indian Resources (Sacramento, CA)
    Concerned American Indian Parents (Minnesota)
    Council for Indigenous North Americans (University of Southern Maine)
    Eagle and Condor Indigenous Peoples’ Alliance
    First Peoples Worldwide
    Fontana Native American Indian Center, Inc. (California)
    Governor’s Interstate Indian Council
    Greater Tulsa Area Indian Affairs Commission
    Great Lakes Inter-Tribal Council (Wisconsin)
    HONOR – Honor Our Neighbors Origins and Rights
    Kansas Association for Native American Education
    Maryland Commission on Indian Affairs
    Medicine Wheel Inter-tribal Association (Louisiana)
    Minnesota Indian Education Association
    National Congress of American Indians (NCAI)
    National Indian Child Welfare Association
    National Indian Education Association
    National Indian Youth Council
    National Native American Law Student Association
    Native American Caucus of the California Democratic Party
    Native American Finance Officers Association (NAFOA)[168]
    Native American Journalists Association[169]
    Native American Indian Center of Central Ohio
    Native American Journalists Association
    Native American Rights Fund (NARF)
    Native Voice Network
    Nebraska Commission on Indian Affairs
    Nottawaseppi Huron Band of Potawatomi (Michigan)
    North Carolina Commission of Indian Affairs
    North Dakota Indian Education Association
    Office of Native American Ministry, Diocese of Grand Rapids (Michigan)
    Ohio Center for Native American Affairs
    San Bernardino/Riverside Counties Native American Community Council
    Seminole Nation of Oklahoma
    Society of Indian Psychologists of the Americas
    Southern California Indian Center
    St. Cloud State University – American Indian Center
    Tennessee Chapter of the National Coalition for the Preservation of Indigenous Cultures
    Tennessee Commission of Indian Affairs
    Tennessee Native Veterans Society
    Tulsa Indian Coalition Against Racism[170]
    The Confederated Tribes of the Colville Reservation
    Unified Coalition for American Indian Concerns, Virginia
    The United Indian Nations of Oklahoma
    Virginia American Indian Cultural Resource Center
    Wisconsin Indian Education Association
    WIEA “Indian” Mascot and Logo Taskforce (Wisconsin)
    Woodland Indian Community Center-Lansing (Michigan)
    Youth “Indian” Mascot and Logo Task force (Wisconsin)
    Individuals[edit]
    These prominent Native Americans have put their opposition to the Redskins' name on the public record:
    Sherman Alexie (author, Spokane)[171]
    Notah Begay (Navajo, PGA pro golfer) called the Redskins' name "a very clear example of institutionalized degradation of an ethnic minority."[172]
    Clyde Bellecourt (Ojibwe, co-founder of the American Indian Movement)[173]
    Bob Burns (Blackfeet elder)[174]
    Vine Deloria, Jr. (Sioux, historian/author)[175]
    Ben Nighthorse Campbell (Northern Cheyenne, U.S. Senator)[176]
    Kevin Gover (Pawnee, director of The Smithsonian Institution's National Museum of the American Indian)[177]
    Suzan Shown Harjo (Cheyenne/Hodulgee Muscogee, author/activist)[178]
    Litefoot (Cherokee/Chichimeca, rapper) ironically celebrates Native American team names as "recreational genocide" on the track 'Stereotipik'.[179]
    Russell Means (Oglala Lakota, activist/actor)[180]
    Billy Mills (Sioux, Olympic gold medal winner)[181]
    Ted Nolan (First Nations Ojibway, NHL player and coach)[182]
    Buford Rolin (Creek tribal chairman)[183]
    Shoni Schimmel (Umatilla, Louisville Cardinals guard, class of 2015)[184]
    Charlene Teters (Spokane, artist/lecturer)[185]
    W. Richard West Jr. (Cheyenne) - President of the Autry National Center in Los Angeles: Redskin is "an openly derogatory term. It always is and it always has been.” West also characterizes the Original American's Foundation as an "attempt to divert attention from the fact that his team’s nickname is coming under increasing heat from people who think it’s an offensive racial term."[186]
    Wow, all 5 of those Native Americans belong to all of those groups?!

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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    No, because that has nothing to do with what I posted.

    Why would Navajo Indians in AZ intentionally slur themselves if the term "Redskins" is a slur?

    By the way, most people don't use the term "Negro" anymore. You must be confusing me with Harry Reid.
    Why would the United Negro College Fund use that term then?
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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Harry Reid is making this political. Did you see that SOB on the Senate floor today throwing lobs at Snyder?
    Does anybody but Harry care about Harry? He probably should concern himself more with the image he is projecting about himself to the world, IMO. A grown man acting overwrought and overly emotional about things like he does is not considered normal for a male.

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