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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

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    He is party politics at its worst...
    The same man who commented on Obama only using a "Negro dialect" when he chose to has the audacity to spin his senile wheels about the name of a football team. His senility became evident when he called Clive Bundy a racist for using the word "Negro".

    Get that man's brain in a jar of formaldehyde before it's completely caput.

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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    What the hell is that? What does it even mean? "Mentions" in what manner or context. Is it internet searches? Does the use on DP count as we discuss the term? Your source means next to nothing.
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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Quibble all you like...if you don't have anything remotely to offer factually to counter it the fact is it's the most accurate scientifically polled data on the subject that's available.



    Because everyone has their own arbitrary line. And that's all it is, arbitrary.

    There's a retired chief of one of the Native American tribes here in Virginia whose gone on record stating he'd be offended if they DO change the name. If 10% of the native american population felt that they'd be upset if the name WAS changed....would that somehow counter the other 10% for you? Since apparently 10% of a populatoin feeling a certain way is enough for you.

    But to an even greater extent, the issue with the 10% isn't so much a "do it/don't do it" thing...but rather it highlights the dishonesty by many who attempt to paint this as though it's offensive to native americans as a GROUP. No, in reality, this is offensive to a small portion of native americans. It's entirely reasonable for someone to decide, PERSONALLY, if that small portion is enough to warrant action. But it's NOT reasonable to attempt to take that small portion and portray them as the group as a whole in order to gain further sympathy and emotional weight to your side. It's against that kind of tactic that the "10%" number is most often meant to combat.
    The first thing I do when I see a number from a study is to Google it and try to come up with the original source. The problems were mentioned right along with the first mention I found of it.

    This is the actual study, from 2004. It was was not is "Redskin" an offensive term. The question, which was part of a large collection of other unrelated questions, asked was “The professional football team in Washington calls itself the Washington Redskins. As a Native American, do you find that name offensive or doesn’t it bother you?” That's wholey different than asking if the term "redskin" would be offensive if applied to an actual person.

    As for numerical issues, the survey randomly interviewed 65,047 individuals. Of those, 768 self identified as Native Americans. In 2004 the average poll response rate was 25%. That puts their overall response rate at around 1:400.

    http://www.annenbergpublicpolicycent..._09-24_pr2.pdf

    If you want a list of reasons
    The poll is outdated, being more than a decade old.
    The question wasn't given in a way which would promote any kind of introspection on the subject into a topic that had received essentially zero coverage.
    The poll only required self identification, but did not follow up with any kind of follow-up questions to determine tribal membership or ancestry. There's a difference between being a self identified Native American and being an active member of a tribe.
    The poll relied on landlines. In 2005 only half of all Native Americans living on a reservation had access to a land line.
    The phrasing of the question is confusing. It combines do you find offensive with doesn't it bother you.
    The survey didn't include anyone from Alaska or Hawaii.
    The survey talked to 768 self identified native Americans. Lawsuits have been brought against the Redskins by 250 groups representing 1.2 million Native Americans.

    So yeah.. the poll has issues.

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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    When does anybody anymore use the Word Redskins unless they are talking about the team?

    Can anybody post instances of where the term was used as a racial slur?
    Post #398 tried... perhaps you can help me understand what that source actually means?
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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
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    Still thinking about it?
    So because you know Mexicans who were offended by being called 'beaner', means that Polish people who shrubnose knows have to be offended by 'polack'? I don't see the connection. :dunno:

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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Which evidence is that?
    Research conducted by a Senior Linguist of the Smithsonian institute.

    The earliest use of the word "Red Skin" in print was in July 22nd, 1815 newspaper quoting a native american chief stating "I have never injured you, and innocence can feel no fear. I turn to all red skins and white skins, and challenge an accusation against me."

    The earliest discovered reference to the word in history was from 1769, when a chief named Mosquito "And if any redskins do you harm, I shall be able to look out for you even at the peril of my life."

    The earliest public reference of the word used in English was in 1812 by James Madison and a number of tribal leaders who made statements such as "I know the manners of the whites and of the red skins" and "I am a red-skin, but what I say is the truth, and notwithstanding I came a long way, I am content, but wish to return from there."

    [quote] Every dictionary classifies it as a usually offensive term.[quote]

    But even your reliance on the dictionary, it still does not follow what you claimed which was that it IS a racial slur...not that it USUALLY is. And I'd argue that the dictionary is hardly correct, since the words is used FAR more in society as a reference to a football team than it is as a direct reference to native americans, let alone as a slur. However, a word's relation to a team isn't part of a dictionary definition typically....which is why the ethnic slur "yankee" doesn't make mention of a baseball team.

    Native Americans have been officially protesting the name since 1968.
    SOME native americans have been.

    A huge list of announcers and writers have announced that they are boycotting the name redskins.
    And they can all go suck a duck. Peter King and his MMQB no longer receives any clicks from me. They're more than happy to indulge in their protest...their protest proves nothing about the name other than their displeasure with it.

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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Does anyone have an explanation for why the Red Mesa School district, which according to their website:

    is located in Red Mesa, Arizona, which is about 25 miles southwest of the Four Corners. The school is located on the Navajo Reservation and is a public school. We have nearly 100% Navajo students are coming from low-income families

    calls its school sports teams "The Redskins"?

    Why isn't anyone demanding that the Native American Navajo Indians on the reservation stop using a racial slur?

    RMUSD #27 / Red Mesa High School

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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Oh, I see, the use today of "Redskin" is not used in derogatory terms.
    It's origins were not derogatory. The vast majority of it's use in the modern day is not done in a derogatory fashion. At times in our history it's use was more derogatory than not, and in isolated instances today it still may be....but by and large it's use today is not in a derogatory fashion.

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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

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    I have really been trying to stay away from Politics here lately....both sides suck monkey testicles as it is...but this Redskins thing has me pissed. I am NOT a Redskins fan by any stretch of the imagination but their name is their name.

    Harry Reid said he wants the name changed because it is offensive to Native American.....change the name or suffer the consequences.

    Dan Snyder should hold a press conference and change the name of the team...period, no questions asked. And this is how I see that conference going...

    "Today is the very last day you will ever see the name Washington Redskins. It is offensive, abusive and intolerant and I fought it long enough. Effective immediately, we will now be known as the Maryland Redskins because the name Washington has become so offensive to every American that we can not sit by and willingly offend the American people and the NFL fan base."
    Know the truth and the truth will make you mad, because the truth has no agenda.

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