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Thorgasm said:
:prof Houston is not in Mexico.
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What the F does Houston have to do with me?

I am in the heart of Cartel Country.

I can assure you I am the minority here.
 
Thorgasm said:
Rationalize all you like, it's still misogyny.
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Did you read the letters? His wife was actually fighting for women to vote, but agreed with John by the end of the letters.
 
Thorgasm said:
No, I am saying there are societal and historical factors that play into it.
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If the only thing that matters is feelings, which seems to be the case here, why is one groups feelings more important than another's?
 
MasterLiberty said:
Women At Work The Gender Wage Gap

That should show how the discrepancies are a lot smaller and are due to choices made by women to work in fields that often pay less or are more "charitable" fields there are many reasons why there is still a small gap, but 'discrimination' is not one of them.
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With experience being one of the metrics, discrimination certainly could play a factor.
 
Mason66 said:
What the F does Houston have to do with me?

I am in the heart of Cartel Country.

I can assure you I am the minority here.
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"Gringo" was brought up because of a restaurant chain in Houston.
 
Henrin said:
Did you read the letters? His wife was actually fighting for women to vote, but agreed with John by the end of the letters.
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Did you post the letters?

Women agree with wearing burkas too. That doesn't change that it's misogynistic.
 
Mason66 said:
If the only thing that matters is feelings, which seems to be the case here, why is one groups feelings more important than another's?
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Societal and historical factors. When were white men oppressed in this country?
 
Thorgasm said:
Did you post the letters?

Women agree with wearing burkas too. That doesn't change that it's misogynistic.
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No, but they are well known. John Adams and his wife talked about voting rights and women in a whole series of letters to each other. It was actually a pretty good debate, but his reasons had nothing to do with the fact they were women and she was a smart enough person to see and understand that.
 
rocket88 said:
Calling the Braves the "Bravos" is not about a PC thing. It's like calling the 49ers the Niners.
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No, if it was there would not have been half the fans in the Atlanta area up in arms about it. The Braves had never been called the Bravos before the PC types tried to get not only the Braves, but the Indians and the Redskins to change their names. This happened short after St. Johns College changed their name from Redmen to whatever it is today.

I have been following the Braves since around 1954 when the Braves were in Boston and the Atlanta Crackers were their AA farm team. I had never heard the term Bravos until the Braves were being pushed to change their name. Since then every once in awhile I will hear the Braves refered to as the Bravos on ESPN or some sports station, but it is very seldom. Then it is just a carry over from around 10-15 years ago.
 
Thorgasm said:
"Gringo" was brought up because of a restaurant chain in Houston.
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And it is used universally by Mexicans to disparage whites. I hear it all the time.

Are you saying I cannot be disparaged because I am white even though I am the minority?
 
Henrin said:
No, but they are well known. John Adams and his wife talked about voting rights and women in a whole series of letters to each other. It was actually a pretty good debate, but his reasons had nothing to do with the fact they were women and she was a smart enough person to see and understand that.
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Anyway, the only way women would have not qualified under his argument is if social changes took place, but since those changes didn't take place yet his argument did in fact apply to women.
 
Thorgasm said:
Societal and historical factors. When were white men oppressed in this country?
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Explain to me the connection between actions from long ago and words today.

If it were actions today I could see your point, but not words.
 
Henrin said:
No, but they are well known. John Adams and his wife talked about voting rights and women in a whole series of letters to each other. It was actually a pretty good debate, but his reasons had nothing to do with the fact they were women and she was a smart enough person to see and understand that.
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Why don't you just tell me what the reason then?
 
Mason66 said:
And it is used universally by Mexicans to disparage whites. I hear it all the time.

Are you saying I cannot be disparaged because I am white even though I am the minority?
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We are talking about America. Of course you are a minority demographically in Mexico. I'll bet you do hear it all the time. And sure, you are being disparaged.
 
Thorgasm said:
The Washington ****s has a nice ring to it. :lol:

Women hold a minority status sociologically because of the history of their treatment. We actually documented in our Constitution the evidence of our social misogyny. Even today, we see that they do not represent their demographics in elected office and on average they earn less money than men do for the same job.
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Yup. And if we want to continue that, all we need to do is be butt hurt and whiny and victims and all upset over trivial things and victims and hypersensitive about any slight to ensure that nobody sees us as ordinary citizens with the same capabilities and character and abilities and emotional stability and personal toughness as anybody else.

If Native Americans/Indians want to be seen as different and more vulnerable et al than everybody else, one way to make sure they retain that image is to make something like changing the name of the Washington Redskins really REALLY important and necessary.
 
Mason66 said:
Explain to me the connection between actions from long ago and words today.

If it were actions today I could see your point, but not words.
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It's sociological. Previous actions and attitudes still linger today. Words reflect those attitudes.
 
tres borrachos said:
If it's a slur, you may want to call them up and tell them they're slurring themselves. It doesn't bother me, but clearly the word bothers you. How about educating them?

I never exterminated anyone. Who did you exterminate?

Who's CB?
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Alright, so now that your first argument (because members of the race use it, it's not derogatory) has been completely exposed as ridiculous. You've shifted gears into a snarky "Well you should go tell them!" - Why should I? People are educated every single day about the use of this word and its historical implications. Hell, it was exposed so easy all it took were other examples of a race using racist institutions, vocabulary and infrastructure without really understanding the social and cultural and implications that come along with their usage.

So now you've shifted it into... well "I never exterminated anyone". Nobody claimed you had. I simply pointed out the incredible irony and self serving bs mentality that is required for praising the "fighting spirit" of a people that were exterminated while being called redskins. Specially when the praising comes in the form of naming a football team.... that makes money off a highly fictionalized account of Native American cultures..... the "Redskins".
 
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AlbqOwl said:
Yup. And if we want to continue that, all we need to do is be butt hurt and whiny and victims and all upset over trivial things and victims and hypersensitive about any slight to ensure that nobody sees us as ordinary citizens with the same capabilities and character and abilities and emotional stability and personal toughness as anybody else.

If Native Americans/Indians want to be seen as different and more vulnerable et al than everybody else, one way to make sure they retain that image is to make something like changing the name of the Washington Redskins really REALLY important and necessary.
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What about the people who are "butt hurt and whiny and victims and all set over trivial things and victims and hypersensitive" when society asks them to stop being insensitive, narcissistic pricks? Apparently it is easier to ask a minority to put up with alienating attitudes than to treat their fellow countrymen with respect.

If you view this as petty on one side, you have to recognize this is petty on the other side too.
 
Hatuey said:
Alright, so now that your first argument (because members of the race use it, it's not derogatory) has been completely exposed as ridiculous. You've shifted gears into a snarky "Well you should go tell them!" - Why should I? People are educated every single day about the use of this word and its historical implications. Hell, it was exposed so easy all it took were other examples of a race using racist institutions, vocabulary and infrastructure without really understanding the social and cultural and implications that come along with their usage.

So now you've shifted it into... well "I never exterminated anyone". Nobody claimed you had. I simply pointed out the incredible irony and self serving bs mentality that is required for praising the "fighting spirit" of a people that were exterminated while being called redskins. Specially when the praising comes in the form of naming a football team.... that makes money off a highly fictionalized account of Native American cultures..... the "Redskins".
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Please point to the post I made where I said anything about praising fighting spirits. I'll wait. And while you're at it, also tell me who you know was exterminating Native Americans while calling them "redskins". I don't know anyone who did that.

If you think the name "Redskins" is so bad, do something about it. You're the one whining about it being an awful name, not me. If the Native Americans themselves have no issue with it, why would I?
 
Thorgasm said:
Don't ever go to the U.K. Your head will explode. :lol:
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Been there many times. I have a large customer over there and I was just in England in January. Nobody called me the "c" word.

Can I be offended by the word even though I'm in the majority in this country (women)? Or by your logic, should I just suck it up if someone calls me that word?
 
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