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Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

Thorgasm said:
Notre Dame can keep the mascot. They just have to limit themselves to only Irish players on their teams. :rofl
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Oh oh. Racism and nationalism alert!! ;)
 
vasuderatorrent said:
This is happening/has been happening/has always been happening/will continue to happen. Thus the term, "out of control". When someone is "out of control" they must be institutionalized because they are dangerous and crazy.

Try telling someone that you believe in aliens. Just see what happens.
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Actually I DO believe in aliens and enjoy discussing the possibilities. :)

But of course we have always had differences of opinion and we have always had cultural standards for what is acceptable behavior. But never in my lifetime have I experienced the absolute hatred and intent to punish people for what they think, believe, and express as I have seen in the last few decades of the political correctness phenomenon. And in my opinion it is destructive, dangerous to all our liberties, and unAmerican.

If this Washington Redskins thing gets favorable views, we can expect our fearless leader to take the credit for it. If it does not, we can expect him to say that it was a decision of the Patent Office and he found out about it the same way all the rest of us did--in the newspaper. He'll look into it, but nothing will be done. We have seen this pattern repeated again and again and again. And each time, the noose of big government is tightened and we lose a little more of our choices, options, opportunities, and liberties.
 
Ockham said:
Do you have a point or just posting as many ignorant statements in a row for appeal to emotion effect?
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What's wrong with any of those racial slurs? If they have a right to use a racial slur, they should be able to use any racial slur.
 
Top Cat said:
I don't care about his politics. He's about as politically relevant as Trump. He's just a dickwad.
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I don't like him because of his politics, compeletely anyway. I like him because he's a spitfire who attacks back. He's a self-made man, too, which I admire. And he's very philanthropic.
 
Top Cat said:
How about the "Brothas"
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Change the Atlanta Braves to the Atlanta Slaves, and instead of the Tomahawk Chop, 40,000 slaves fans can pretend to pick cotton.

There were probably more Slaves than Braves in Atlanta anyway.
 
rocket88 said:
Well, I'd expect the same kind of support right? I mean, they should be able to use any racial slur they want to if we're going to say it's okay to use a racial slur.

Washington Stupid Micks?
Washington Wops?
Washington Crazy Ass Crackers?
Gooks?
Palefaces?
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I think what people are forgetting is, they named the team because of the bravery of the "Redskins", not to disparage them. Every example you just posted is 100% derogitory, while the Redskins name was chosen to honor the fighting spirit of "native Americans".
 
rocket88 said:
What's wrong with any of those racial slurs? If they have a right to use a racial slur, they should be able to use any racial slur.
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You can make all the suggestions you want, I'm not invested in the naming of sports teams at all. However, you didn't answer my question - do you have a point. Do you?
 
tres borrachos said:
I don't like him because of his politics, compeletely anyway. I like him because he's a spitfire who attacks back. He's a self-made man, too, which I admire. And he's very philanthropic.
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Not entirely self made. He was given money from his father to start his own business. Still pretty impressive to turn it into billions though.
 
AlbqOwl said:
I haven't denied the darkest part of the history either. History is what it is. And if we are honest historians we don't get to pick the part of history we like and ignore the less commendable, and we don't get to pick something bad in the history and present it as if that is all the history there is or all that is important.

But because the Indian people--our "Native Americans" around here mostly refer to themselves as "Indians" so I do too--were treated badly in their history, must we assume that it is shameful somehow to refer to any of their history now? And while we can tease or caricature or utilize a real or mythical trait of almost any other ethnic group for fun and profit, that Native American people are somehow too fragile or unworthy to be included in that?
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I'm not saying that the usage of a Native American likeness is offensive. I don’t' see an issue with the Seminoles, Indians, Braves, etc.. We're not talking about that.we're talking about using a racial slur as a team name, and redskins IS a racial slur. It's kind of hard to argue otherwise.
 
Mithros said:
I'm not saying that the usage of a Native American likeness is offensive. I don’t' see an issue with the Seminoles, Indians, Braves, etc.. We're not talking about that.we're talking about using a racial slur as a team name, and redskins IS a racial slur. It's kind of hard to argue otherwise.
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You're arguing that Redskins is a racial slur, but over 90% of Native Americans don't think it is.
 
This is a wonderful little news story for the Mike Florio and Mike Wises of the world to run with, but really at the moment it's a bit...."meh, okay."

One, removal of the trademark pattent doesn't force or require a name change of any kind.

Two, this will undoubtably be appealed and an injunction put in place while the appeal runs it's course. And said appeal could last for years.

Three, this has happened before and went to court and got tossed out.

Four, even if somehow this does get upheld there's still some questionable legitimacy as to whether or not the team can still take certain copyright action despite not having a trademark.

COULD this be a big deal years down the line? Sure, it COULD. But right now it's a nice story with little true tangible impact.
 
The Man said:
You're arguing that Redskins is a racial slur, but over 90% of Native Americans don't think it is.
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To be fair...there's no evidence as to whether or not 90% of native americans view it as a racial slur or not. There's no poll I've seen indicating how much of the NA population find it a slur.

However, there has been polling done to show that over 90% of Native Americans don't feel the name should be changed.

Now it's reasonable to suggest that if a majority thought the Washington Redskin's use of the word "Redskin" was as a racial slur that more than 9% of NA's would say the name should be changed....but full transparency, that's not what the poll said
 
The Man said:
Not entirely self made. He was given money from his father to start his own business. Still pretty impressive to turn it into billions though.
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The college jet business? His father didn't give him money for that. Maybe you're talking about the Wallboard ad business he started with his sister?

Yeah, he's self made, as opposed to inheriting money. The dude has some serious ambition. He's not even 50 yet.
 
rocket88 said:
Change the Atlanta Braves to the Atlanta Slaves, and instead of the Tomahawk Chop, 40,000 slaves fans can pretend to pick cotton.

There were probably more Slaves than Braves in Atlanta anyway.
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It won't shock me if they come up with a creative "**** you" when they pick a new name.
 
Mithros said:
redskins IS a racial slur. It's kind of hard to argue otherwise.
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It's not hard at all.

Redskin CAN be a racial slur. It is not, nor has it ever been, JUST a racial slur.

And there's ample evidence to suggest that the method of it's use by the Washington Redskins is in line with the uses of it that don't align with a racial slur.
 
AlbqOwl said:
But never in my lifetime have I experienced the absolute hatred and intent to punish people for what they think, believe, and express as I have seen in the last few decades of the political correctness phenomenon. And in my opinion it is destructive, dangerous to all our liberties, and unAmerican.
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and normal
 
tres borrachos said:
The college jet business? His father didn't give him money for that. Maybe you're talking about the Wallboard ad business he started with his sister?

Yeah, he's self made, as opposed to inheriting money. The dude has some serious ambition. He's not even 50 yet.
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Yeah the Wallboard business with his sister. That was his start, seeded with money from his father by taking out a second mortgage on a property that he owns in England. Technically, that's not self made, but still impressive.
 
Top Cat said:
It won't shock me if they come up with a creative "**** you" when they pick a new name.
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IF somehow in a few years they lose the appeals, Snyder doesn't want to lose money, and they can't find a way around the trademark issue and the NFL ends up making them change it due to the harm it'd then cause the league (in lost revenue)...

...then the name would likely change to the Warriors. The native american references would likely remain, though it may go to the old spear logo from a few decades ago. The fight song would likely remain. Chief Zee would likely remain. And the NFL would still end up losing money, because with the lack of trademark protection a plethora of fans would flock to 3rd party "Redskins" merchandise with current players names as opposed to supporting the bull**** name change.
 
Top Cat said:
It won't shock me if they come up with a creative "**** you" when they pick a new name.
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No they wouldn't. If they change the name it will be something gay like the Washington Football Wizards, or something like that.
 
vasuderatorrent said:
and normal
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No. You and I can be on the same page on some things, but I will not see political correctness as normal. I see it as a government driven method developed to control and manipulate the people for some objective that I have to believe is not something that freedom loving people will see as either normal or a good thing.
 
AlbqOwl said:
No. You and I can be on the same page on some things, but I will not see political correctness as normal. I see it as a government driven method developed to control and manipulate the people for some objective that I have to believe is not something that freedom loving people will see as either normal or a good thing.
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This is very common throughout the ages. You are right. It is not a good thing but it is a common thing.
 
Zyphlin said:
IF somehow in a few years they lose the appeals, Snyder doesn't want to lose money, and they can't find a way around the trademark issue and the NFL ends up making them change it due to the harm it'd then cause the league (in lost revenue)...

...then the name would likely change to the Warriors. The native american references would likely remain, though it may go to the old spear logo from a few decades ago. The fight song would likely remain. Chief Zee would likely remain. And the NFL would still end up losing money, because with the lack of trademark protection a plethora of fans would flock to 3rd party "Redskins" merchandise with current players names as opposed to supporting the bull**** name change.
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The trademark patent old spear logo is what was just cancelled.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11102096/us-patent-office-cancels-washington-redskins-trademark
 
rocket88 said:
They should just change the name to the Niggers. I mean, that's fine right? It honors them.
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You keep making this asinine, idiotic comment in thread after thread. I continually inform you why this is an asinine and idiotic comment. And you repeatedly ignore that response and then just make it again.

Niggers and Redskins are not analogous words.
 
The Man said:
Yeah the Wallboard business with his sister. That was his start, seeded with money from his father by taking out a second mortgage on a property that he owns in England. Technically, that's not self made, but still impressive.
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I define "self-made" as becoming rich through your own efforts. Hugh Hefner is self made, even though his mother loaned him $1000 to start Playboy.
 
The Man said:
The trademark patent old spear logo is what was just cancelled.
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To my understand, the only trademark that was killed off was that of the team name "Redskins".

So, if they weren't going to fight it, anyone could go out and print a "Washington Redskins" T-Shirt or Jersey with "Griffin III" and 10 on the back.

I don't believe the Logos themselves were part of the trademark that got stricken down...only the name.
 
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