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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    If it is true, which apparently it is in this case, that the team sought out the approval of Indian tribes when they were naming the team, who should pay for the name change if people now are offended?
    1. I may need to go back and check on the team history, but I believe the top guy of the NCAI was consulted in helping design the indian head logo, but he was acting on his own (not on behalf of the congress). I don't think there was any real consultation that went into the actual NAME though.

    2. This is one of the problems with so much of this debate, on both sides. The common talk of native americans as one conglomarate group. It'd be like multiplying European countries by 5 or more and then treating them all as one universal entity. I believe I recent heard that there is over 500 seperate native american tribes recognized in the United States of America alone. Even the largest advocacy group, the NCAI, represents only roughly 30% of them. The history, traditions, culture, etc of each tribe can be entirely different than another tribe.

    What this means to your point is that even if the Team had gotten approval from some native american tribes when they made the name, it wouldn't really matter. No one tribe or even group of tribes speaks for all native americans, and it's entirely plausible for something to bother one tribe and not another (For example, the Oneida Indian Nation has many who are strongly opposed, while many in the Patawomeck Tribe support it with some expressing offense IF it was changed).

    So while I think the notion that the name needs to change is ridiculous, I don't see any reason why any particular tribe or tribes should be forced to front the cost of such a change.

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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    The more I look the more I think you're mixing it up with the logo Mason. Though here's some info regarding the logo's creation:

    Walter “Blackie” Wetzel was Don’s father, a Blackfeet Nation political leader who a half-century ago was the president of the National Congress of American Indians. Blackie, who was a great athlete in his day, became well-acquainted with Montana leaders like Mike Mansfield and Lee Metcalf.

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    In the early 1970s, Blackie approached ownership of the Redskins and proposed designing a helmet logo. “He did it the right way,” said Don. “It wasn’t some thrown together, fly-by-night deal. It’s something that represents the Red Nation in a positive way.” And, he said, it doesn’t matter if many see it as offensive. "Here’s the deal,” Don said. “Blackie was a smart egg. He called in leaders from other tribes and they worked on it a long time. They modeled it after the likeness on the ‘Buffalo Head nickel.’ ”

    Don, a great athlete himself at Cut Bank and the University of Montana who later coached high school and college basketball, recalled the reaction his father received when unveiling the new logo. “They said it was perfect,” he said. Don’t suggest to Don Wetzel that the logo, or Redskins nickname for that manner, is derogatory whatsoever. “No, no, no, no,” he said.
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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    The more I look the more I think you're mixing it up with the logo Mason. Though here's some info regarding the logo's creation:



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    Wait...and this is not being rhetorical or sarcastic in the least. Is that source stating that the very Redskins logo...the one in question as claimed as BEING racist...was in fact designed by and sanctioned by Indians?

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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Wait...and this is not being rhetorical or sarcastic in the least. Is that source stating that the very Redskins logo...the one in question as claimed as BEING racist...was in fact designed by and sanctioned by Indians?
    What's the Indian equivalent for "Uncle Tom"?

    And, yes, I am being sarcastic.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    What's the Indian equivalent for "Uncle Tom"?

    And, yes, I am being sarcastic.
    That being the case...you would think changing the name would be disrespectful to Indians???

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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    That being the case...you would think changing the name would be disrespectful to Indians???
    One would think.

    Now, presuming this is accurate, I can hear it now... "Well, a minority of people don't speak for everybody."

    Right, they don't. Now turn that around.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Wait...and this is not being rhetorical or sarcastic in the least. Is that source stating that the very Redskins logo...the one in question as claimed as BEING racist...was in fact designed by and sanctioned by Indians?
    No.

    It's claiming that THIS logo...



    ...was designed by a former president of the National Congress of American Indians and was submitted to multiple tribes that were part of the NCAI for input.

    While there are some who find offense with that logo (Those who suggest ANY use of native americans in sports franchises is wrong), the primary complaints regarding the Redskins centers around their name and the logos that utilize the name such as this one:


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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by Mosby View Post
    How can you have a sports team named after the American Indian in 2014? I am not at all offended by the name, I object to the hypocrisy. There is no other race or ethnicity that has a major sports team named after them. If there were teams like the "Boston Blacks" or the "Cleveland Caucasians" or the "Jersey Jews" or the "Houston Hispanics" complete with caricatures similar to the Cleveland Indians "Chief Wahoo" mascot, people everywhere would lose their mind over it. They'd go berserk. Why the American Indian is allowed to have a team named after their race/ethnicity while others are protected is the ultimate pinnacle of hypocrisy.
    There are plenty of teams named after iconic groups of humans.

    Patriots
    Steelers
    Chiefs
    Raiders
    Cowboys
    Packers
    Saints
    Bucs
    49ers

    Redskin is not a race. Its a word for an iconic group of humans, native american warriors of the 19th century.

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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    No.

    It's claiming that THIS logo...



    ...was designed by a former president of the National Congress of American Indians and was submitted to multiple tribes that were part of the NCAI for input.

    While there are some who find offense with that logo (Those who suggest ANY use of native americans in sports franchises is wrong), the primary complaints regarding the Redskins centers around their name and the logos that utilize the name such as this one:

    I just think that should be make this whole thing an open and shut case...but thats me. I knew a bit about the nickname being chosen in honor of a coach who was an Indian...but the fact that they sought the Indian nations input for both the design AND approval...and that THEY THEMSELVES created it and approved it as a symbol of honor...

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    Re: Patent office cancels Redskins trademarks

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    No.

    It's claiming that THIS logo...



    ...was designed by a former president of the National Congress of American Indians and was submitted to multiple tribes that were part of the NCAI for input.

    While there are some who find offense with that logo (Those who suggest ANY use of native americans in sports franchises is wrong), the primary complaints regarding the Redskins centers around their name and the logos that utilize the name such as this one:

    I think they stole it

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