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White House: Obama to sign order banning anti-gay discrimination

Erod said:
Next GOP president that comes forth can now undo everything Obama's done with a series of executive orders.

This is stupid.
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i hope he does. i hope he undoes every one of these unconstitutional orders that obama has made.
 
TheNextEra said:
You know, while I support SSM and support not discriminating against gays, Obama has set a horrible precidence from legislating by executive order.

I really fear the next GOP president that comes in. The precidence set is that it is ok to legislate nationally through executive order when something can't get approved through congress. While the number of Obama's executive orders have been less than past presidents, the impact of Obama's executive orders have been massive.

People supporting this IMO are using the excuse of "The ends justify the means", however, the stage is set for a GOP president to do the same thing.
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I agree with you on this. If one doesn't expect future presidents of mimic the use of EO to circumvent congress in the future, their elevator don't go all the way to the top. The same people cheering the use of EO will be against their use if the next president is a Republican. Perhaps we have entered the era of the ends justify the means. But perhaps it has always been that way, President Obama just has the balls to push everything to the brink of the breaking point.
 
AGENT J said:
1.) correct
2.) nope and this doesnt do that lol

so again i ask

what NEW precedence does this set, please try to answer this time and realize it its legal and many other presidents have done the same there is no new "precedence" set
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What if you're wrong?
 
What if Obama received a political donation (bribe) of one million dollars by the LGBT activist a few days before Obama issued this Executive Order ?

Saturday/Laguna Beach
Sunday/Palms Springs

Re: UC Irvine commencement speech, you sure had a lot of unhappy campers. "Obama ruined our graduation." Why would Obama do that ?
 
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TheNextEra said:
You know, while I support SSM and support not discriminating against gays, Obama has set a horrible precidence from legislating by executive order.

I really fear the next GOP president that comes in.
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 The precidence set is that it is ok to legislate nationally through executive order when something can't get approved through congress. While the number of Obama's executive orders have been less than past presidents, the impact of Obama's executive orders have been massive.






People supporting this IMO are using the excuse of "The ends justify the means", however, the stage is set for a GOP president to do the same thing.
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That's only if there's ever another GOP president.

Nothing in the U.S. Constitution guarantees the GOP equal time in the White House.
 
It's easy to talk about impeaching someone. Actually doing it is a little harder

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shrubnose said:
It's easy to talk about impeaching someone. Actually doing it is a little harder

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True enough, and it's a last, last resort. This POTUS seems to be begging for it though.
 
AlbqOwl said:
I read the earlier posts and then sort of skipped to the end so somebody else has probably brought it up. But the most ironic thing about all of Obama's executive orders that bypass Congress and legislate are especially ironic when he was so critical of executive orders issued by President Bush. But I'm quite used to candidate Obama bearing absolutely no resemblance to President Obama. You can't believe anything uttered by this man is his conviction or the truth.

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Not the first time he was caught doing this. Most of what he bashed Bush for he did exactly the same thing. Obama is a prolific liar, but sadly people believe him.
 
I am just going to guess that before the GOP has any chance of impeaching Obama his term will be up and Hillary Clinton will be in the White House.
 
TheNextEra said:
You know, while I support SSM and support not discriminating against gays, Obama has set a horrible precidence from legislating by executive order.

I really fear the next GOP president that comes in. The precidence set is that it is ok to legislate nationally through executive order when something can't get approved through congress. While the number of Obama's executive orders have been less than past presidents, the impact of Obama's executive orders have been massive.

People supporting this IMO are using the excuse of "The ends justify the means", however, the stage is set for a GOP president to do the same thing.
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I couldn't have said it any better. I agree with you 1000%.

I support gay marriage and equal rights, and think they should be the norm in this country. It gives me pause when Obama has decided it's okay to legislate these things by EO. What is to stop any future President from a, overturning these things via EO, but also b, using his EO powers to put something dangerous in place. There is a reason we have 3 branches all with equal power. They are supposed to keep each other in check so no one branch has more power than it should.

Excellent post.
 
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Executive Orders only work if you do business with the government or take government money in any way, shape or form.
 
tres borrachos said:
Not the first time he was caught doing this. Most of what he bashed Bush for he did exactly the same thing. Obama is a prolific liar, but sadly people believe him.
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Campaigns are full of lies, if we want to be PC one then calls them half truths. Never believe a politicians words, just watch what he does, his actions. But the vast majority of Americans pay no attention to the actions, just the rhetoric and they believe every word of the rhetoric.
 
shrubnose said:
I am just going to guess that before the GOP has any chance of impeaching Obama his term will be up and Hillary Clinton will be in the White House.
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I'm going to guess that impeachment is a Democratic talking point and deliberate straw man devised to divert discussions from uncomfortable subjects. This topic is about a specific Obama executive order, and in expanded form, the pros and cons of executive orders used to circumvent Congress and the Constitution. Could we focus on that please?
 
Perotista said:
Campaigns are full of lies, if we want to be PC one then calls them half truths. Never believe a politicians words, just watch what he does, his actions. But the vast majority of Americans pay no attention to the actions, just the rhetoric and they believe every word of the rhetoric.
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People want to believe rhetoric. It's frightening how many people are swallowed up in a politician's words to the point that they swoon when he arrives to speak and cry like housewives when he promises them the moon.
 
tres borrachos said:
People want to believe rhetoric. It's frightening how many people are swallowed up in a politician's words to the point that they swoon when he arrives to speak and cry like housewives when he promises them the moon.
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A chicken in every pot, I think is how FDR put it. But no one bothered to tell the people that pot would be in the soup kitchens.
 
shrubnose said:
I am just going to guess that before the GOP has any chance of impeaching Obama his term will be up and Hillary Clinton will be in the White House.
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Oh yeah, they know that and won't call for impeachment even if Obama were to strip naked and screw his pooch on the White House lawn. That's the problem, am important tool of government and the people has been taken off the table. Besides, not sure President Biden would be at all preferable.
 
tres borrachos said:
Not the first time he was caught doing this. Most of what he bashed Bush for he did exactly the same thing. Obama is a prolific liar, but sadly people believe him.
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I don't know if they believe him or whether it is a case of blind, fanatical partisanship that drives them to defend the indefensible. I didn't see many conservatives going to such lengths to defend President Bush when he was into policy that we didn't see as defensible.

Another possibility is that so much of the electorate has been so dumbed down that they honestly don't understand how the President doing end runs around Congress to make law is both unConstitutional and dangerous.
 
AlbqOwl said:
I'm going to guess that impeachment is a Democratic talking point and deliberate straw man devised to divert discussions from uncomfortable subjects. This topic is about a specific Obama executive order, and in expanded form, the pros and cons of executive orders used to circumvent Congress and the Constitution.
Could we focus on that please?
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Who is going to stop the president of the USA from signing any document that he wants to sign?

Fill us in on that if you can.
 
AlbqOwl said:
I don't know if they believe him or whether it is a case of blind, fanatical partisanship that drives them to defend the indefensible. I didn't see many conservatives going to such lengths to defend President Bush when he was into policy that we didn't see as defensible.

Another possibility is that so much of the electorate has been so dumbed down that they honestly don't understand how the President doing end runs around Congress to make law is both unConstitutional and dangerous.
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I think Obama adorement syndrome is as real as Bush derangement syndrome is. To some, the man can simply do no wrong, no matter how wrong logic tells you his actions are. We've seen it more than once since January of 2009 and I suspect we will continue to see it until January 2017. This story, and peoples' responses to his actions, is an example of that.
 
When has that ever stopped him?

Seriously, fill us in.
 
Paxaeon said:
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Executive Orders only work if you do business with the government or take government money in any way, shape or form.
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Wow! I never knew that Americans forfietted their constitutional protections by doing business with the government!
 
clownboy said:
Oh yeah, they know that and won't call for impeachment even if Obama were to strip naked and screw his pooch on the White House lawn. That's the problem, am important tool of government and the people has been taken off the table. Besides, not sure President Biden would be at all preferable.
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I'm sure. He wouldn't be preferable. Biden is a disaster and would be worse than Obama, as hard as it is to imagine anyone can be worse than Obama.
 
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