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    Re: Obama Is Sending 275 US Troops To Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    My only problem with is that they only sent 275. Send in 27,500 with the sole mission to protect the embassy and immediate vicinity...AGGRESSIVELY...and with drone and CAS.
    You don't need 27,000 troops to launch drones for surveillance and/or strategic bombing. Besides, have the Iraqis asked for American troops on the ground? Again, I go back to Ukraine and Putin/Russia. The US gave up control of Iraq - Russia gave up control of the Ukraine. You cannot condemn Russian aggression in Ukraine, in support of those who want them to intervene and then support US aggression in Iraq. In both cases, internal divisions are leading to civil unrest and "revolution". It's not America's place to choose sides in a civil war. But protecting American interests, nationals and property in Iraq is perfectly reasonable and expected.
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    Re: Obama Is Sending 275 US Troops To Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    My only problem with is that they only sent 275. Send in 27,500 with the sole mission to protect the embassy and immediate vicinity...AGGRESSIVELY...and with drone and CAS.
    We are in a catch 22 at this point. We can't allow Iraq to fall to ISIS. The future for the world and for the US is bleak with a psychotic group like ISIS in charge of Iraq and Syria (and Jordan).

    On the other hand, the ME is so insane in its culture that Iraq is resistant to allowing US troops on the ground for political reasons.

    On the bright side, if the US can manage to get through this crisis with ISIS destroyed and Iraq intact it will go a long way to returning US to prominence in the ME.
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    Re: Obama Is Sending 275 US Troops To Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    I would not bitch about him not sending troops. You are wrong there, like most times.
    And his is a failure.
    Sure you wouldn't!

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    Re: Obama Is Sending 275 US Troops To Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    Sure you wouldn't!
    I have posted against these wars many times. So don't try to come here with some revisionist bull crap. I agree with almost nothing about Obama's policies.
    Staying out of Iraq is what we should do.

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    Re: Obama Is Sending 275 US Troops To Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    We are in a catch 22 at this point. We can't allow Iraq to fall to ISIS. The future for the world and for the US is bleak with a psychotic group like ISIS in charge of Iraq and Syria (and Jordan).

    On the other hand, the ME is so insane in its culture that Iraq is resistant to allowing US troops on the ground for political reasons.

    On the bright side, if the US can manage to get through this crisis with ISIS destroyed and Iraq intact it will go a long way to returning US to prominence in the ME.
    If Obama showed even a hint of testicular fortitude, this would have never happened. They are open and brazen precisely because Obama has repeatedly shown himself to be a little bitch in the foreign affairs arena.

    At the same time...the government of Iraq...hell...the PEOPLE of Iraq need to step up. That part of the equation I put on Bush. He should have told them in no uncertain terms...you have us here for 5 years. After that...we will support you but you have to EARN your freedom and that means you have to stand up against ****heads like ISIS. Instead...we piddled around for 8 years following the end of the war against Iraq. Thats horrible post war management and ops.

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    Re: Obama Is Sending 275 US Troops To Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    You don't need 27,000 troops to launch drones for surveillance and/or strategic bombing. Besides, have the Iraqis asked for American troops on the ground? Again, I go back to Ukraine and Putin/Russia. The US gave up control of Iraq - Russia gave up control of the Ukraine. You cannot condemn Russian aggression in Ukraine, in support of those who want them to intervene and then support US aggression in Iraq. In both cases, internal divisions are leading to civil unrest and "revolution". It's not America's place to choose sides in a civil war. But protecting American interests, nationals and property in Iraq is perfectly reasonable and expected.
    I need 27,000 troops in place with orders to aggressively defend themselves so none of those ****head get it in their domes that attacking my 275 is even a viable consideration.

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    Re: Obama Is Sending 275 US Troops To Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Yea, lets put many more in harms way for nothing. Sorry, cant agree. Show me a purpose that is needed for the US and I may agree with you.
    275 troops are troops in harms way. 27,500...thats "hey...**** it...lets go this other way" kinda support. I dont want to see the 275 sacrificed and left hung out to dry.

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    Re: Obama Is Sending 275 US Troops To Iraq

    In and out and in and out and in and out and in and out. 1. Why have an embassy there? 2. Why not remove our people all together instead 275 troops vs. 10,000 psychotic terrorists?
    Obama is lost. Does anyone believe he did not contemplate something like this happening when nearly 100% of the Washington buttheads knew it would? Impeach Obama.

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    Re: Obama Is Sending 275 US Troops To Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    I have posted against these wars many times. So don't try to come here with some revisionist bull crap. I agree with almost nothing about Obama's policies.
    Staying out of Iraq is what we should do.
    LOL so you just admitted you would gripe about troops being sent which is what I said you would gripe about. Thank you for proving my point. Your comments display Obama Deranged Syndrome because no matter WHAT he does, you will gripe.

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    Re: Obama Is Sending 275 US Troops To Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    I have to agree as much as I hate war and was against the war in Iraq from the start, we owe it to the people to stand by what we promised them - freedom from a dictatorship and to be able to create a representative self government. We totally ****ed up there and have to stand up and admit it. I don't have any answers to how we can fix it but I don't feel that it's right to do nothing.
    Yeah. Well I may have been a bit harsh with my language but the point I made still stands.

    ISIS wants an islamic dictatorship.
    Saddam had a secular dictatorship, hell, he had people in his inner circle who were jews and christians.
    Iran would, given the chance, throw it's weight around and support a puppet shiite government in iraq.

    Which one is worse? Well, at least in Saddams' Iraq you didn't have to worry about islamist training camps for terrorists coz he wouldn't permit them (not because he was a fan of fighting terrorism but because he knew that they'd be islamist and rise against him, like it happened in Libya a few years ago and in syria). And Iran is a rogue state currently. I mean, I share Christophers' Hitchens belief that in the short future, maybe by 2030, Iran will come around as the current generation of people who are now in their 20s grow up and whom despise the current totalitarian regime and who have a tendency to be less religious and less extremist. But that's a long time away. And may never happen, I mean, there is no certainty. Totalitarian regimes have survived on even less public support. Repression doesn't need a 1-1 exchange.

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