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    "WHO IS GUILTY OF FALLING INTO THE SECOND WORLD WAR? Political policies of Prime-minister of Great Britain Sir Winston Churchill and US President’s authorized representative William Bullitt in 1933 – 1940 have to undergo the International tribunal evaluation.

    On the 8th of May many celebrated the 69th anniversary of victory of so called freedom-loving nations over the Nazi Germany. Adolf Hitler, whose name is associated with the bloodiest events of humankind history, remains to be the main person responsible for initiating this international conflict. There is no doubt that Hitler played a big role in this tragedy, however his famous ideology of the superiority of German nation played a low-down trick with himself.
    Taking this idea as a basis for political structure of a new Germany, Hitler fell into a crafty political trap, set by leaders of United States and Great Britain. They accused him of incitement of world conflict, and gained laurels for fighting the anti-human totalitarian regime.
    The actual cause of military moves were the territorial disputes between Poland and Germany.
    The truth is that such country as Poland appeared on world map after the First World War, as a result of The Versailles Treaty. The western strategists thought Poland would become a great counterbalance for just defeated German Empire. And what’s more many originally German lands were given to Poland – Poznan (Posen in German), Eastern Pomerania, part of Prussia.
    Until Germany remained weak there were no territorial claims. But when Nazi gained power, they promised to end the unfairness of The Versailles Treaty, and the question of the lost territories became burning again.
    The stumbling point was so-called Polish Corridor, Baltic Polish lands, which chopped Germany off its territory in Eastern Prussia. The problem worsened because these lands were mostly inhabited by Germans, including port Danzig.
    Facts indicate that Hitler wanted to negotiate with Poland friendly way.
    In October 1938 German Foreign Minister Joachim von Ribbentrop suggested to poles the following scenario of solving the conflict. Danzig, which was under a joint Polish-German control, should be recovered by Germany: the citizens themselves were looking forward to it. But Poland would be granted new privileged rights for Poles living there, concerning shipping, stationing military units, trading business… More than that Germany undertook the construction of a naval base in Gdynia, next to Danzig. And also Germany firmly promised not to claim any other lands from Poland and offered to confirm the inviolability of Polish borders with a new Treaty.
    At first Poland agreed on these conditions. The intensive consultations and mutual visits of highest executives had begun. The conference on which the new Treaty, which would solve all territorial conflicts, was to be signed, was going to be held in Spring 1939.
    However in April 1939 Poles suddenly and unilaterally cut off the negotiation process and pointedly started to prepare to war. Germans correspondingly started tit-for-tat actions. Well military and technically developed German finished the preparations earlier and was first to strike the blow. The cliché that the 2nd World War started on 1st September 1939 is incorrect. That day the German-Poland war began, and it was so for three days! Ambiguous Britain politics allowed Hitler to think that this war would remain so. However after unrealizable ultimatum Britain declared war to Germany. It was September 3rd and that was the day when the World War II had begun!
    So why did Poles make such a suicidal move? The formal reason were the warlike statements of old Polish allies – France and Britain, who loud and clear promised poles a military support in case of a German invasion.
    But the weirdest thing is that, if France nominally had a strong army, they were actually not prepared for war. Their industry hadn’t even begun to remodel for military use. And their military
    force status is estimated by experts in military units’ construction as even worse than it used to be before the 1st World War. That’s why they couldn’t help Poland in any case.
    But British and Americans… This is a bit complicated. What stand out a mile? The major part of aircraft-carriers sort of “Essex” (11 out of 14) which took part in war had been installed before United States entered World War II! So, the history largest number of huge high-powered combat ships were prepared by a non-belligerent country. Besides American congress in 1937-1940 sanctioned construction of 12 new battle-ships in addition to 15 already possessed, quite modern, well armed and armored. Which means that we can state a fact that the back bone of the navy power according to the sea doctrine of that years, battle ships, were constructed and prepared before US joined allies in war.
    For comparison the “bloodthirsty aggressors” (Germans and Japanese) hardly put into operation 4 battle-ships against 15 belonging to Britain and United States. Both of these countries prepared these ships way before the beginning of the war. So the question is – who planned on starting it?
    However British and Americans increasing their overwhelming superiority on sea didn’t assume a possibility to military support Poland. The fact that US before the war had 400 tanks was not a real problem. Its industry “warmed up” by the earlier armament drive began to product tanks fast as if they were saucepans, by numerous series.
    But then who pushed Poles and French into war? Who warmed their martial mood?
    The Answer became vivid when the Poland was defeated, Autumn 1939. Studying captured Poland Foreign Ministry documents, Germans found reports of Polish ambassadors from Paris and Washington.
    In different time periods the ambassadors had meetings with one very important American person. We speak of a US President Franklin Roosevelt authorized representative for Europian affairs William Bullitt.
    The talks took place in autumn and winter 1938. Bullitt then promised Poles, that war between west democracy countries and Nazi Germany is inevitable – USA would never acknowledge Hitler’s regime. When Polish ambassador Jerzy Potocki asked if west democracy Europe would fight Hitler, Bullitt answered: “France and Britain have to put an end to any politics of compromise with totalitarian countries. United States possess different, extremely effective means of enforcement Britain and France… In case of War we will not take part in it from the very beginning, but are going to end it”.
    These documents were proved by real events. Already on 2nd September 1939 Germans with the help of their Italian ally Benito Mussolini suggested East to renew the peaceful negotiations. What’s more Mussolini urged to stop combat operations and quickly summon the international conference for settling all the questions. Germany and France immediately agreed. But a threatening message from Washington prevented Western Europe from it.
    …After the end of the 2nd World War, in late 40s, ex-ambassador of USA in London John Kennedy while talking with an American Minister of War Forrestal frankly confessed: “France couldn’t make Poland the reason of war, unless a constant intention of London and Washington to be so. Lord Chamberlain more than once told me that was Washington who made Western Europe countries enter the war”.

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    Re: Obama considers special forces to help in iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mornin' SN. I heard they will split into 12 Men units and will be needed to target any Air Strikes we make. The Majority will be going North towards Mosul. Hold down some major Assets.

    Either way we going back in.....despite BO sayin no Boots on the ground. Also despite him not wanting to deal with Iraq and walk away from it without putting in much effort. Then his usual about War.

    No boots on the ground, except for the boots on the ground. Can Obama ever say anything believable in foreign policy? Just wait until one of ours gets hit.

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    Thereby responsibility for starting that war lies upon international policy of Great Britain and United States intrigues. So why Hitler was so much hated by US? Was it because of his views and beliefs? Weird, but many American concerns and banks, for example Henry Ford structure or Wall-street financiers, actively sponsored Hitler’s party just before him gaining power. Because in Hitler American capitalists saw the main counterbalance of communist regime in Russia. But when Hitler came to power, the situation suddenly changed. From that moment Nazi became deadly enemies for
    America. How come?
    There is a great amount of reasons. After coming to power, Hitler began implementing large social and economic reforms, directed to protect the interests of simple Germans. First of all, Hitler brought under industries and other branches of the country’s economy, at the same time avoiding nationalization.
    Government revenue distribution changed also. Its largest part was accumulated for improvement of life conditions of simple people. That’s what American economist Hans Schmidt wrote about it: “The accomplishments of those who are called Nazi are amazing! Starting with almost no moneyand having 6 million unemployed (third of its labor power), they created a net of highway roads, (modern autobahns), running through the whole country for less than 6 years… They became first to get right the production of a cheap whole family car (“Volkswagen”). Besides, they began to build houses for underprovided families, even such villages appeared.”
    Schmidt names other social achievements. Germany was the very first country with paid holidays for employees, with doubling non-working days, with big payments to large families. And the pension system invented by Hitler co-parties works in Germany nowadays. We should also add government support of peasant farms, which insured against freak weather seasons and world market fluctuation.
    Plus government protection of debtors from forced debt collection by intory of property and selling – the government took the costs of such debts upon itself.
    Ending his thought, Schmidt marks: “Just after 2 years of national socialists coming to power living conditions improved so much, that there are no poor and unemployed in Germany. Germany faced an economic boom, when Britain, France and USA suffered the violent depression.
    Obviously, the new social rights introduced in Germany became known by workers from other countries. They demanded the same working conditions. But the biggest problem was Hitler’s trying to make German economy independent from the international financial oligarchy, whose main representatives sit in offices of Wall-street. Fuhrer banned to use Deutsche Mark in any stock-speculations (that’s how the German currency strengthened, without numerous fake international market fluctuations). Bank capital was under serious control. Their Role then was just to serve interests of industries, businessmen and simple citizens.
    So the financial oligarchy lost a chance to control Germany, a country which had one of the most developed economy system in the world. That was not something they could forgive Hitler for.
    First US through its newspapers and mass media of Western Europe started the propaganda war against Germany. The democracy papers lied that “Germans were not born for Democracy”, that Hitler was just about to attack America, that chaos spread over Germany, more like hell and so forth. And then the most cruel instrument of the oligarchy was implemented – war.
    It’s notable that organizing the war process itself was William Bullitt, who was an authorized representative of not just the President Roosevelt but also a number of influential Bank Houses of Wall-Street."

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    Quote Originally Posted by melisa View Post
    Thereby responsibility for starting that war lies upon international policy of Great Britain and United States intrigues. So why Hitler was so much hated by US? Was it because of his views and beliefs? Weird, but many American concerns and banks, for example Henry Ford structure or Wall-street financiers, actively sponsored Hitler’s party just before him gaining power. Because in Hitler American capitalists saw the main counterbalance of communist regime in Russia. But when Hitler came to power, the situation suddenly changed. From that moment Nazi became deadly enemies for
    America. How come?
    There is a great amount of reasons. After coming to power, Hitler began implementing large social and economic reforms, directed to protect the interests of simple Germans. First of all, Hitler brought under industries and other branches of the country’s economy, at the same time avoiding nationalization.
    Government revenue distribution changed also. Its largest part was accumulated for improvement of life conditions of simple people. That’s what American economist Hans Schmidt wrote about it: “The accomplishments of those who are called Nazi are amazing! Starting with almost no moneyand having 6 million unemployed (third of its labor power), they created a net of highway roads, (modern autobahns), running through the whole country for less than 6 years… They became first to get right the production of a cheap whole family car (“Volkswagen”). Besides, they began to build houses for underprovided families, even such villages appeared.”
    Schmidt names other social achievements. Germany was the very first country with paid holidays for employees, with doubling non-working days, with big payments to large families. And the pension system invented by Hitler co-parties works in Germany nowadays. We should also add government support of peasant farms, which insured against freak weather seasons and world market fluctuation.
    Plus government protection of debtors from forced debt collection by intory of property and selling – the government took the costs of such debts upon itself.
    Ending his thought, Schmidt marks: “Just after 2 years of national socialists coming to power living conditions improved so much, that there are no poor and unemployed in Germany. Germany faced an economic boom, when Britain, France and USA suffered the violent depression.
    Obviously, the new social rights introduced in Germany became known by workers from other countries. They demanded the same working conditions. But the biggest problem was Hitler’s trying to make German economy independent from the international financial oligarchy, whose main representatives sit in offices of Wall-street. Fuhrer banned to use Deutsche Mark in any stock-speculations (that’s how the German currency strengthened, without numerous fake international market fluctuations). Bank capital was under serious control. Their Role then was just to serve interests of industries, businessmen and simple citizens.
    So the financial oligarchy lost a chance to control Germany, a country which had one of the most developed economy system in the world. That was not something they could forgive Hitler for.
    First US through its newspapers and mass media of Western Europe started the propaganda war against Germany. The democracy papers lied that “Germans were not born for Democracy”, that Hitler was just about to attack America, that chaos spread over Germany, more like hell and so forth. And then the most cruel instrument of the oligarchy was implemented – war.
    It’s notable that organizing the war process itself was William Bullitt, who was an authorized representative of not just the President Roosevelt but also a number of influential Bank Houses of Wall-Street."
    the "front" was a massive danger to "Mr. Polio" that he refused to fly generally.... Roosevelt and Kennedy hated to fly....

    Petty Ironic considering it was FDR who dropped the BOMBS over Japan, then Kennedy did a slew of aircraft missions including one dead over Cuba.

    Kennedy was a man of not logic but insanity. RFK was probably the logical one sending U2's over Cuba.

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    didn't get your thoughts anyway...

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    Quote Originally Posted by melisa View Post
    didn't get your thoughts anyway...

    JFK was a massive problem - he was on every pill you can imagine.

    Why you think he got offed?

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    Kennedy was a dug addict...

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    Re: Obama considers special forces to help in iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Obama not sending troops to Iraq. OBAMA BAD!
    Obama sending troops to Iraq. OBAMA BAD!
    I think Obama is bad as a president in general, but I would have thought so even if these two events had not taken place, so...

    Still, I see the point.

    But it has always been that way when politics are involved, especially contentious politics - the opponent is wrong no matter what they do, and your choice is always right.

    ANYTHING can be spun away, if the people being spun too want to believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by melisa View Post
    didn't get your thoughts anyway...
    What he meant to say was that FDR liked warm water from the same state Bill Clinton was born and that, furthermore, John Kennedy was a Papist.It's all there if you look for it.

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    Re: Obama considers special forces to help in iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Hmm. Imperial Presidency. Dictating to a sovereign nation's elected leader that he has to step down.

    Where are all the cries about interfering in another's country now?
    There are probably several countries who share the same feelings about Obama.

    And we already know that Obama hasn't done such a great job of selecting foreign leaders.

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