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    Re: Supreme Court rules on 'straw purchaser' law

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Your birthday gift complaint is easily circumvented by a gift certificate. I have no problem with the ruling. It was the right thing to do.

    Just make sure the gun shop has access to these:

    And the next law, and the one after that, then the next one?

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    Re: Supreme Court rules on 'straw purchaser' law

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Once I buy it, its mine to do with what I want. Period end of story.
    Not according to form 4473 question 11 part a):

    https://www.atf.gov/files/forms/down...f-f-4473-1.pdf
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    Re: Supreme Court rules on 'straw purchaser' law

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Well, they aren't. Rights can be taken away with due process of law. Someone who robs a bank with a gun doesn't get to own a gun any more, sorry if this bothers you so much.
    You are correct, they don't. So if they purchase one or somehow acquire one, it would have to be by fraudulent means which in theory would be in addition to the illegal possession of a firearm charge they would be facing.

    Still not seeing what effect a background check has here...

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    Re: Supreme Court rules on 'straw purchaser' law

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Not according to form 4473 question 11 part a):

    https://www.atf.gov/files/forms/down...f-f-4473-1.pdf
    Where does it say I cannot buy the gun for a friend or relative. Like I have done before and will continue to do as I like.

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    Re: Supreme Court rules on 'straw purchaser' law

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    To be honest, I am a bit torn on this decision. On one hand, buying a gun to give to another, in order to circumvent the system of background checks, should be a crime. On the other hand, if I wanted to buy a present for a friend who is having a birthday, would I be breaking the law? It appears that I would be, and that is where I disagree with this decision.

    Discussion?

    Article is here.
    Pretty simple response from me. I agree with what you said, which is exactly how I feel about it. I don't like straw purchases to allow criminals to circumvent the law, but there should be a way to buy a gun for a present for someone, even if that means giving their info at the time of purchase for them to go through a background check as well. And, for that reason, I disagree with the ruling.

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    Re: Supreme Court rules on 'straw purchaser' law

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Where does it say I cannot buy the gun for a friend or relative. Like I have done before and will continue to do as I like.
    I somewhat agree with you, here is the actual language used on form 4473:

    Warning: You are not the actual buyer if you are acquiring the firearm(s) on behalf of another person. If you are not the actual buyer, the dealer cannot transfer the firearm(s) to you.
    Technically, you are acquiring the firearm for yourself, but for the purpose of gifting it to another in the very near future.
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    Re: Supreme Court rules on 'straw purchaser' law

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    I somewhat agree with you, here is the actual language used on form 4473:



    Technically, you are acquiring the firearm for yourself, but for the purpose of gifting it to another in the very near future.
    But I am the "buyer". Its says nothing about continued ownership.
    The reason is there is long tradition of fathers buying guns for their children in this nation. Just like when I got my step son his first 1911.

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    Re: Supreme Court rules on 'straw purchaser' law

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Where does it say I cannot buy the gun for a friend or relative. Like I have done before and will continue to do as I like.
    I don't know, but buying one for someone who can not pass a background check is different I suppose. Personally with the advanced 3D Printers all this is going to be mute eventually. You will be able to make your own weapons.

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    Re: Supreme Court rules on 'straw purchaser' law

    Quote Originally Posted by voyager1 View Post
    I don't know, but buying one for someone who can not pass a background check is different I suppose. Personally with the advanced 3D Printers all this is going to be mute eventually. You will be able to make your own weapons.
    Anyone I have bought guns for are previous owners of guns they bought on their own. So I don't worry about it. But given the state of the nation on gun rights. I am sure many want me charged for doing so.

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    Re: Supreme Court rules on 'straw purchaser' law

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    But I am the "buyer". Its says nothing about continued ownership.
    The reason is there is long tradition of fathers buying guns for their children in this nation. Just like when I got my step son his first 1911.
    I agree, since the intent of the law is to prevent a prohibited person from offering you, as a non-prohibited person, the cash to buy a gun for them; it was not intended to prevent the gifting (or sale) of a legally purchased gun to a non-prohibited person.
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