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    Re: Supreme Court rules on 'straw purchaser' law

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    You know you are putting forth a policy of an undefined indefinite detention policy in place of law don't you?
    You do know you are punishing people that have served their time don't you? Again, if they are such a threat, then there should be tougher "life-time" sentences then.

    This arbitratry put them on a list for the rest of their life is BS. If they are a threat, there needs to be tougher sentences then.

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    Re: Supreme Court rules on 'straw purchaser' law

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    You do know you are punishing people that have served their time don't you? Again, if they are such a threat, then there should be tougher "life-time" sentences then.

    This arbitratry put them on a list for the rest of their life is BS. If they are a threat, there needs to be tougher sentences then.
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    Re: Supreme Court rules on 'straw purchaser' law

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    We were talking minors killed by straw purchase alcohol.
    Compared to straw purchases of firearms, which you'd have no reason to exclude adults.
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    Re: Supreme Court rules on 'straw purchaser' law

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Compared to straw purchases of firearms, which you'd have no reason to exclude adults.
    What? Whatever, lost interest in ANOTHER anti gun thread.

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    Re: Supreme Court rules on 'straw purchaser' law

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    You picked ONE person, and cherry picked him because you believe it supports your view. That you picked Patrick Henry makes sense to a point. But of course, it is still cherry picking.
    Virginia was the pivotal vote in the ratification. So it was rather important where Virginia stood and Patrick Henry was the voice for Virginia and being the pivotal vote, he bent it hard to the way he wanted it more than most. Call quoting the debate as cherry picking all you want. It's just a dodge.
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    Re: Supreme Court rules on 'straw purchaser' law

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    You do know you are punishing people that have served their time don't you? Again, if they are such a threat, then there should be tougher "life-time" sentences then.

    This arbitratry put them on a list for the rest of their life is BS. If they are a threat, there needs to be tougher sentences then.
    Perhaps. But that isn't what it looked like you were saying before. It looked more like you were saying that once someone is in jail, they had to stay there until they proved themselves worthy of leaving regardless of their sentence.
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    Re: Supreme Court rules on 'straw purchaser' law

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Virginia was the pivotal vote in the ratification. So it was rather important where Virginia stood and Patrick Henry was the voice for Virginia and being the pivotal vote, he bent it hard to the way he wanted it more than most. Call quoting the debate as cherry picking all you want. It's just a dodge.
    Um, wait a minute… Virginia's representatives at the Constitutional Convention were John Blair, James Madison, George Mason, James McClurg, Edmond Randolph, George Wythe, and George Washington.

    What did they say?

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    Hey, here's your guy….

    "Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in possession and under our direction and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?"
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    And yes, what you did was some massive cherry picking. It's no dodge, and everyone here knows it.
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    Re: Supreme Court rules on 'straw purchaser' law

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Perhaps. But that isn't what it looked like you were saying before. It looked more like you were saying that once someone is in jail, they had to stay there until they proved themselves worthy of leaving regardless of their sentence.
    Perhaps I worded it wrong, but you are essentially doing the same. You're saying that even though they did their ordered time that you "feel" they are a threat so they need to be put on a list for the rest of their life or they cannot do something for the rest of their life.

    You're punishing someone by putting them on a list because you "feel" they are still a threat. How is that any better?

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