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    Re: Supreme Court rules on 'straw purchaser' law….

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    What part of “…the right of the people…shall not be infringed” is unclear?
    What part of "rights are not absolute" is unclear?

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    Re: Supreme Court rules on 'straw purchaser' law….

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    What part of "rights are not absolute" is unclear?
    Where does it say that in the Constitution? Where does it say anything in the Constitution that allows for the right to be infringed, which the Second Amendment forbids from being infringed?

    I say that what is explicitly written in the Constitution takes precedence over anything that you wish was written in the Constitution but is not.
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    Re: Supreme Court rules on 'straw purchaser' law

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    Bull****, If I give my gun to someone I know can't legally buy it themselves and also know that they are going to use that weapon to intentionally kill someone, I'm also responsible.
    what did I say? you either misread what I wrote or intentionally ignored it



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    Re: Supreme Court rules on 'straw purchaser' law….

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    What part of "rights are not absolute" is unclear?
    for the federal government to infringe or limit rights, it must have been delegated that power. Do you HONESTLY believe that the commerce clause was intended to do that?



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    Re: Supreme Court rules on 'straw purchaser' law….

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    I say that what is explicitly written in the Constitution takes precedence over anything that you wish was written in the Constitution but is not.
    H'm, let's see, how to weigh this.

    On one hand, we have two centuries of jurisprudence, judged on and decided by skilled and educated legal professionals, who have spent most of their adult lives examining constitutional law, who accept that rights are not absolute.

    On the other hand, we have someone who claims to be a strict constructionist (that's you, Bob) who simultaneously willing to drop the whole "militia" phrase.

    Whose word am I going to take on this? I'll give you a hint. Here's Antonin Scalia, arch-conservative, in the Heller decision, which struck down numerous gun control laws:

    "There seems to us no doubt, on the basis of both text and history, that the Second Amendment conferred an individual right to keep and bear arms. Of course the right was not unlimited, just as the First Amendment ’s right of free speech was not, see, e.g., United States v. Williams, 553 U. S. ___ (2008). Thus, we do not read the Second Amendment to protect the right of citizens to carry arms for any sort of confrontation, just as we do not read the First Amendment to protect the right of citizens to speak for any purpose."

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    Re: Supreme Court rules on 'straw purchaser' law….

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    for the federal government to infringe or limit rights, it must have been delegated that power. Do you HONESTLY believe that the commerce clause was intended to do that?
    If trades or shipments from manufacturers happen across state lines, then it does fall into Federal jurisdiction. If the manufacturing and selling is all in one state, then States right should prevail.
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    Re: Supreme Court rules on 'straw purchaser' law

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    MADD - Statistics According to MADD over 10K people died in 2012 from DUI accidents, so by your logic 10K people should be in jail for providing the cars they were driving.
    At least 10K car salesmen and dealership owners.

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    Re: Supreme Court rules on 'straw purchaser' law….

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    What part of "rights are not absolute" is unclear?
    Rights are absolute. However, rights can be abused and thus be used in a criminal manner, thus one is responsible for one's own actions.
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    Re: Supreme Court rules on 'straw purchaser' law

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Then they should have their rights restored once they do their time. Otherwise, they shouldn't be out of prison.
    Do you have the same view for pedophiles or should they remain on sexual predator lists once they leave prison?
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    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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    Re: Supreme Court rules on 'straw purchaser' law

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Yeah they do.

    "We feel like you are dangerous so you will not be able to own a gun"

    In both cases a person is being deprived of a right due to an action they taken and an assumption of potential future action they may take. The primary difference is one of those rights you're fine with taking away and the other you're not.
    Not being allowed to have a gun is not imprisonment. That is a real stretch of a comparison.
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