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    Re: Supreme Court rules on 'straw purchaser' law

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    While I won't dispute that these are infringements I will note that they are all based on prior acts and not a presumption of guilt upon the transferee. Such restrictions are, historically, reasonable under the law.
    That doesn't answer the question about the 'except' part.
    The GCA of 1968 is actually the government giving itself a power specifically denied by the Constitution. Of course they made it seem reasonable, otherwise it would not have passed. The Patriot act seems reasonable too.
    How many more acts are going to seem reasonable?

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    Re: Supreme Court rules on 'straw purchaser' law

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I'm honestly surprised I don't hear gun control advocates propose the government take peoples guns when they die.
    If the government can make a reasonable-seeming law to do just that, I wondered what other parts of your estate they could lay claim to... oh wait.
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    Re: Supreme Court rules on 'straw purchaser' law

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    To be honest, I am a bit torn on this decision. On one hand, buying a gun to give to another, in order to circumvent the system of background checks, should be a crime. On the other hand, if I wanted to buy a present for a friend who is having a birthday, would I be breaking the law? It appears that I would be, and that is where I disagree with this decision.

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    I don't see a reason to allow purchasing to give to someone else. The desire to give a friend something should not outweigh the necessity to ensure that only law abiding citizens are able to obtain firearms. IF you want to buy someone a gun, give them the money (in some form) to get it themselves, legally.
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    Re: Supreme Court rules on 'straw purchaser' law

    Quote Originally Posted by RogueWarrior View Post
    If the government can make a reasonable-seeming law to do just that, I wondered what other parts of your estate they could lay claim to... oh wait.
    They already do it if the gun is deemed illegal, so all they would have to do is just take all of the guns instead of just the illegal ones.

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    Re: Supreme Court rules on 'straw purchaser' law

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I'm honestly surprised I don't hear gun control advocates propose the government take peoples guns when they die.
    well currently government lays a 55% tax on property , if its over a certain value.

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    Re: Supreme Court rules on 'straw purchaser' law

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    Last month a 4 year old child was gunned down outside of her home by a Gang member with a gun bought by someone else legally then sold to this piece of ****. The buyer knew whom he was selling too and what the weapon was going to be used for. This is a common thing. These bangers aren't law abiding citizens legally buying guns. If you buy a gun for someone that you know is a criminal and they're going out and murder with that weapon then you also pulled the trigger of that firearm.
    True, yet does not trump my 2A rights. I am sure someone died in an auto accident in Chicago last week end too. Should you quit driving?

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    Re: Supreme Court rules on 'straw purchaser' law

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    well currently government lays a 55% tax on property , if its over a certain value.
    The line is $1,500,000. Most people are not worth that much when they die. And if they are, the feds want money, not guns.
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    Re: Supreme Court rules on 'straw purchaser' law

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    well currently government lays a 55% tax on property , if its over a certain value.
    I have my fathers guns. He died in 1987. Someone feel frisky and wanna try to tax them or take them?

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    Re: Supreme Court rules on 'straw purchaser' law

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    I have my fathers guns. He died in 1987. Someone feel frisky and wanna try to tax them or take them?
    well they would fall under a value, the government would tax, but i was taking of all property when you die....over a certain value....

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    Re: Supreme Court rules on 'straw purchaser' law

    Quote Originally Posted by RogueWarrior View Post
    That doesn't answer the question about the 'except' part.
    The GCA of 1968 is actually the government giving itself a power specifically denied by the Constitution. Of course they made it seem reasonable, otherwise it would not have passed. The Patriot act seems reasonable too.
    How many more acts are going to seem reasonable?

    Limits were put on the government for a reason. It is a shame that most people have forgotten that.
    I have no problem restricting the rights of people who have proved themselves to be incapable or unwilling to handle the responsibilities that go along with those rights. If, for example, you got pissed off because your wife served you cold oatmeal and you shot her in a fit of rage I figure it's quite reasonable, in direct contradiction to a strict reading of the 2A, to prohibit you from handling firearms....or sharp objects....or blunt objects.

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