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    Re: Supreme Court rules on 'straw purchaser' law

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    If it is bought for someone who is legal to own a gun, it should not be a crime.


    Think about how ridiculous this is... making it a CRIME punishable by imprisonment, to legally buy a legal product and give it to someone who is legally allowed to own same. Insanity.
    In all fairness to the court, what they said was that lying on the 4473 was a crime. They didn't (to my reading of the decision) actually change anything. That being said, I totally agree that if no harm was done then it shouldn't be prosecuted.

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    Re: Supreme Court rules on 'straw purchaser' law

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    Last month a 4 year old child was gunned down outside of her home by a Gang member with a gun bought by someone else legally then sold to this piece of ****. The buyer knew whom he was selling too and what the weapon was going to be used for. This is a common thing. These bangers aren't law abiding citizens legally buying guns. If you buy a gun for someone that you know is a criminal and they're going out and murder with that weapon then you also pulled the trigger of that firearm.


    No argument. What some of us are saying is that buying a gun for someone who IS legal to own one is a different thing and should not result in imprisonment.

    Given that I can still legally transfer a gun to another person, without being obliged to notify the State or Fed of same, where is the line here? If I buy it and transfer it that week, I'm a felon? If I wait three months I'm not?


    Does anyone have a link to the actual law in question?

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    Re: Supreme Court rules on 'straw purchaser' law

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    Last month a 4 year old child was gunned down outside of her home by a Gang member with a gun bought by someone else legally then sold to this piece of ****. The buyer knew whom he was selling too and what the weapon was going to be used for. This is a common thing. These bangers aren't law abiding citizens legally buying guns. If you buy a gun for someone that you know is a criminal and they're going out and murder with that weapon then you also pulled the trigger of that firearm.
    If it can be proved that the buyer gave the gun to someone he or she knew (or had reason to believe) was a prohibited person then they committed a crime under subsection 922. That's already on the books and we don't need another law to deal with the issue.

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    Re: Supreme Court rules on 'straw purchaser' law

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    In all fairness to the court, what they said was that lying on the 4473 was a crime. They didn't (to my reading of the decision) actually change anything. That being said, I totally agree that if no harm was done then it shouldn't be prosecuted.

    So...

    I can still buy a gun and legally transfer it to someone else. In my state, no notification of the State is necessary.

    So how long between the purchase and the transfer is required before they consider it "straw purchase"? A week? Three months? This is crazy, it can make felons of honest citizens...

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    Re: Supreme Court rules on 'straw purchaser' law

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Does anyone have a link to the actual law in question?
    18 U.S. Code 922 - Unlawful acts | LII / Legal Information Institute

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    Re: Supreme Court rules on 'straw purchaser' law

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    Last month a 4 year old child was gunned down outside of her home by a Gang member with a gun bought by someone else legally then sold to this piece of ****. The buyer knew whom he was selling too and what the weapon was going to be used for. This is a common thing. These bangers aren't law abiding citizens legally buying guns. If you buy a gun for someone that you know is a criminal and they're going out and murder with that weapon then you also pulled the trigger of that firearm.
    IOW, the straw purchase law didn't prevent a damn thing? The only thing it's really going to prevent is one law abiding citizen from buying a gun and giving it to another law abiding citizen.

    Did it ever occur to you how useless anti-gun laws are, or is it just about banning gun ownership, with no real concern about crime prevention?
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    Re: Supreme Court rules on 'straw purchaser' law

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If that person is too dangerous to own a gun he is too dangerous to be on the streets and should be in jail.
    Isn't crazy that a mass murderer can marry and even have sex in prison but can't own a gun.

    He can even marry a queer and have homo sex but can't own a gun legally...


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    Re: Supreme Court rules on 'straw purchaser' law

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Actually no, have you tried buying a beer, some cigarettes maybe?
    Many times, and I have never had to pass a background check to buy them. I merely had to prove that I was old enough.

    I've said on this thread that an age requierment is one of the few justified gun control laws, so I don't see your point.

    Does your state require a background check when you buy beer?

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    Re: Supreme Court rules on 'straw purchaser' law

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    Well, someone will inherit mine when I die, as will be the case with all gun owners.
    I'm honestly surprised I don't hear gun control advocates propose the government take peoples guns when they die.
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    Re: Supreme Court rules on 'straw purchaser' law

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    So...

    I can still buy a gun and legally transfer it to someone else. In my state, no notification of the State is necessary.

    So how long between the purchase and the transfer is required before they consider it "straw purchase"? A week? Three months? This is crazy, it can make felons of honest citizens...
    It doesn't change anything. You can buy a gun today, walk into the parking lot and sell it to someone else (or give it to them) and be fine with the law.

    What you can't do is get caught lying on a 4473.

    The facts of the case are that Abromski was asked by a relative to buy the gun at a discount and received payment for it up front. He then purchased the gun and lied on the 4473 (question 11.a). What he did was exactly what the instructions say not to do.

    Is it a stupid rule? Sure. Is he an idiot for not following the rule? Damned straight.

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