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    Re: Supreme Court rules on 'straw purchaser' law

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Sorry no.... you have taken part of the 1st Amendment and attempted to graft it to the 2nd Amendment.
    SORRY BUT YOU NEED TO READ THIS.

    The Preamble to The Bill of Rights

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    begun and held at the City of New-York, on
    Wednesday the fourth of March, one thousand seven hundred and eighty nine.

    THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its [FEDERAL] powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent ends of its institution.

    THE 2ND IS A RESTRICTIVE CLAUSE PLACED ON THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO MAKE NO LAW.


    James Madison- In pursuance of the wishes thus expressed, the first Congress that assembled under the Constitution proposed certain amendments, --->[BILL OF RIGHTS] which have since, by the necessary ratifications, been made a part of it; among which amendments is the article containing, among other prohibitions on the Congress, an express declaration that they should make no law abridging the freedom of the press.

    this is clear proof from James Madison that the bill of rights are prohibitions on the Congress.
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    Re: Supreme Court rules on 'straw purchaser' law

    Another poor decision of the SCOTUS.

    Preventing the buying of a gift or buying for another LEGAL gun owner was never the intention of said law.

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    Re: Supreme Court rules on 'straw purchaser' law

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    "We feel like you are dangerous so you will stay in jail past your term."


    Laws don't work like that sooooo...
    Then they should have their rights restored once they do their time. Otherwise, they shouldn't be out of prison.

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    Re: Supreme Court rules on 'straw purchaser' law

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    A divided Supreme Court sided with gun control groups and the Obama administration Monday, ruling that the federal ban on "straw" purchases of guns can be enforced even if the ultimate buyer is legally allowed to own a gun.
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    Good call, good jurisprudence....imho.

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    Re: Supreme Court rules on 'straw purchaser' law

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Yes. Simply buying a gun is not probable cause to violate my 4th amendment right and perform a background check. Background checks at point-of-sale are unconstitutional.
    Except they are not unconstitutional. The 4th Amendment has a phrase 'unreasonable searches' which gives the court leeway to decide what is and isn't reasonable depending on the type of search. Forcing local Law Enforcement to run back round checks was ruled unconstitutional in '97, now with the NICS it is a Federal system... not so much.

    But if you have a court ruling saying point of sale back round checks are unconstitutional....

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    Re: Supreme Court rules on 'straw purchaser' law

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Except they are not unconstitutional. The 4th Amendment has a phrase 'unreasonable searches' which gives the court leeway to decide what is and isn't reasonable depending on the type of search. Forcing local Law Enforcement to run back round checks was ruled unconstitutional in '97, now with the NICS it is a Federal system... not so much.

    But if you have a court ruling saying point of sale back round checks are unconstitutional....
    i don't understand what the 4th, has to do with firearms purchase.

    the 4th is to be secure in person and property........the government has to have a warrant from a judge, because they cannot do just a general search it must be a defined search for an item and place......where is firearms in that.

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    Re: Supreme Court rules on 'straw purchaser' law

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    SORRY BUT YOU NEED TO READ THIS. The Preamble to The Bill of Rights Congress of the United States begun and held at the City of New-York, on Wednesday the fourth of March, one thousand seven hundred and eighty nine. THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its [FEDERAL] powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent ends of its institution. THE 2ND IS A RESTRICTIVE CLAUSE PLACED ON THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO MAKE NO LAW. James Madison- In pursuance of the wishes thus expressed, the first Congress that assembled under the Constitution proposed certain amendments, --->[BILL OF RIGHTS] which have since, by the necessary ratifications, been made a part of it; among which amendments is the article containing, among other prohibitions on the Congress, an express declaration that they should make no law abridging the freedom of the press. this is clear proof from James Madison that the bill of rights are prohibitions on the Congress.
    No need to be sorry, but you are wrong- again...

    I did read the Preamble, certain states did ask for a set of Rights be listed- (Madison was against this until the Anti's lead by Patrick Henry, among others, made a huge stink about refusing to ratify without more protections)

    Sadly for you the Courts don't see it your way. The Preamble is a simple explanation of why 10 amendments are being offered after the fact. No where does the Preamble say "make no law". The 2nd A doesn't say "make no law'.

    You are quoting Madison once more but again NOT one of his writings were ratified by the proper number of States on what the Constitution 'really' means and what the intent 'really' is.

    You can attempt to spin it for as long as you wish, but until you become a Court of One with a higher position than the Supremes you are just one guy with a luger...

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    Re: Supreme Court rules on 'straw purchaser' law

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    I agree, since the intent of the law is to prevent a prohibited person from offering you, as a non-prohibited person, the cash to buy a gun for them; it was not intended to prevent the gifting (or sale) of a legally purchased gun to a non-prohibited person.
    Please define 'prohibited person.'
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    Re: Supreme Court rules on 'straw purchaser' law

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    Please define 'prohibited person.'
    I assume he means someone who would fail a background check if they had tried to a purchase a gun themselves.
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    Re: Supreme Court rules on 'straw purchaser' law

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic Now! View Post
    I assume he means someone who would fail a background check if they had tried to a purchase a gun themselves.
    What would constitute 'failing a background check?'
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