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    Re: Supreme Court rules on 'straw purchaser' law

    When it comes to guns, the 2nd Amendment and S. Ct. rulings in regards to them, you can tell if the ruling was wrong simply by seeing who here agrees with it.
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    Re: Supreme Court rules on 'straw purchaser' law

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    What I mean is that the 2nd amendment does not invalidate any and all gun control laws. Background checks are constitutionally valid.
    true under the current precedent but there is nothing in the constitution that was intended to allow any federal gun control. an amendment should have been enacted to allow that



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    Re: Supreme Court rules on 'straw purchaser' law

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    a solid decision supported by both the Constitution and a long history of American jurisprudence giving the thumbs up to reasonable regulation and legislation in this area.

    Of course, some will say these are INFRINGEMENTS - but it just goes to show you how ridiculous that argument is.
    Please post the backing of the constitution in this particular matter. Looking at the 2A right now. Go.

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    Re: Supreme Court rules on 'straw purchaser' law

    Most of the gang murders here in Chicago are committed with straw purchase weapons. They're bought legally and then knowingly sold to gang members for the sole purpose of murdering people. Much of the time gang members will accompany the card holders to Gun shops and point out which pieces they want. If I buy a gun for a criminal knowing that they are going to gun down others, I am complicit in those murders.
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    Re: Supreme Court rules on 'straw purchaser' law

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    Most of the gang murders here in Chicago are committed with straw purchase weapons. They're bought legally and then knowingly sold to gang members for the sole purpose of murdering people. Much of the time gang members will accompany the card holders to Gun shops and point out which pieces they want. If I buy a gun for a criminal knowing that they are going to gun down others, I am complicit in those murders.


    true, but crooks are normally much smarter than that. they go into a few stores and price weapons They then have someone go back to the store -someone they have not been seen with in the store-buy the gun, and they prep the buyer. Good clerks can spot a straw buyer. For example, when I worked gun shows for a client years ago, and I saw a (usually a woman) trying to buy a gun, I would ask her-do you really want a Beretta 92, maybe the SIG 226 (functionally almost the same-both passed the military test) would fit you better. If they refused to even consider that alternative I figured they were buying for someone else



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    Re: Supreme Court rules on 'straw purchaser' law

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    When it comes to guns, the 2nd Amendment and S. Ct. rulings in regards to them, you can tell if the ruling was wrong simply by seeing who here agrees with it.
    Surely your dissent will land a great blow to the court's credibility.

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    Re: Supreme Court rules on 'straw purchaser' law

    I really don't have a problem with this ruling. If you want to buy a gun as a gift or for someone else then follow the proper procedures.
    I think there are transfer documents and things that have to be done in order for it to be legal, but it is possible to do it without having
    to go through what this guy went through.

    I still do not think that this affects personal transactions. you still need to document that you sold the weapon and to who you sold it to in case something happens.

    i don't see a violation of the 2a here. this doesn't restrict gun ownership in the least.

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    Re: Supreme Court rules on 'straw purchaser' law

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    sorry no... "congress shall make no law"....... concerning the right to bear arms of the people
    Sorry no.... you have taken part of the 1st Amendment and attempted to graft it to the 2nd Amendment.

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    Re: Supreme Court rules on 'straw purchaser' law

    good read from James Madison-


    In pursuance of the wishes thus expressed, the first Congress that assembled under the Constitution proposed certain amendments, --->[BILL OF RIGHTS]which have since, by the necessary ratifications, been made a part of it; among which amendments is the article containing, among other prohibitions on the Congress, an express declaration that they should make no law abridging the freedom of the press.

    Without tracing farther the evidence on this subject, it would seem scarcely possible to doubt that no power whatever over the press was supposed to be delegated by the Constitution, as it originally stood, and that the amendment was intended as a positive and absolute reservation of it.

    But the evidence is still stronger. The proposition of amendments made by Congress is introduced in the following terms:

    "The Conventions of a number of the States having, at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstructions or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added; and as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government will best insure the beneficent ends of its institutions."

    Here is the most satisfactory and authentic proof that the several amendments proposed were to be considered as either declaratory or restrictive, and, whether the one or the other as corresponding with the desire expressed by a number of the States, and as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government...............


    The Constitution alone can answer this question. If no such power be expressly delegated, and if it be not both necessary and proper to carry into execution an express power--above all, if it be expressly forbidden, by a declaratory amendment to the Constitution--the answer must be, that the Federal Government is destitute of all such authority..........

    We, the delegates of the people of Virginia, duly elected in pursuance of a recommendation from the General Assembly and now met in Convention, having fully and freely investigated and discussed the proceedings of the Federal Convention, and being prepared, as well as the most mature deliberation hath enabled us, to decide thereon--DO, in the name and in behalf of the people of Virginia declare and make known that the powers granted under the Constitution, being derived from the people of the United States, may be resumed by them whensoever the same shall be perverted to their injury or oppression; and that every power not granted thereby remains with them, and at their will. That, therefore, no right of any denomination can be cancelled, abridged, restrained, or modified, by the Congress, by the Senate or House of Representatives, acting in any capacity, by the President, or any department or officer of the United States, except in those instances in which power is given by the Constitution for those purposes; and that, among other essential rights, the liberty of conscience and of the press cannot be cancelled, abridged, restrained, or modified, by any authority of the United States."
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    Re: Supreme Court rules on 'straw purchaser' law

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    What I mean is that the 2nd amendment does not invalidate any and all gun control laws.
    Right, it means what gun control laws there are should be few and far between, each law having to stand up to the Strict Scrutiny standard.

    99% of all gun control fails that test and thus shouldn't exist. The only valid gun control is a restriction on fellons and mentally infirm, an age limit, and certain gun-free zones such as ERs and court rooms.

    And that's it. All other gun control is unconstitutional. Mag limits, permit requierment, point-of-sale background checks, registration, machiengun bans, gun-buster signs having force of law, gun-free school zones, 'assult-weapon' bans...all unconstitutional.

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