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    Re: John Kerry: U.S. Open To Cooperating With Iran Over Iraq Conflict

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    we should stay the hell out of it. this is also going to happen in Afghanistan in a few years. we should stay out of that, too.

    Saudi Arabia is the regional hegemon, and this is their problem to solve.
    Staying out of it brought us WW2 and 9/11. We can strafe them now, or we can sent troops later.

    The solution is to order some airstrikes to support the Iraqi Army. That time to do that is slipping away fast.
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    Re: John Kerry: U.S. Open To Cooperating With Iran Over Iraq Conflict

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    We've been reduced to asking Iran, which wants us eliminated from existence, to solve our problems for us.
    Well, that's one weird way of seeing things. Iranians for the most part love America. Hell, Iranian Americans are some of the most well integrated people in our society. So.... what Iran are you talking about?
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    Re: John Kerry: U.S. Open To Cooperating With Iran Over Iraq Conflict

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    In a world where all regional hegemons shared the same goals and abilities, or where we did not have so much skin in the game, I would support this. However, Saudi Arabia's relationship with ISIS and Iraq is starkly different from ours, and it would be against our interests (as well as those of the people of Iraq) to allow Riyadh to handle the crisis.

    Again, this is only possible in a perfect world. For the time being, if we want something done right, we must do it ourselves.

    In fact, though, we almost never act alone. Aside from minor skirmishes and non-combatant assistance, we appear not to have acted outside of a coalition since 1958.


    I would say that such policy would limit our ability to act in American or humanitarian interests. I agree, however, that the public should care more about our interventions and their consequences - for better or worse.
    if it important enough to go to war, the entire western world participates equally, and taxes go up significantly here at home to pay for it.

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    Re: John Kerry: U.S. Open To Cooperating With Iran Over Iraq Conflict

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    if it important enough to go to war, the entire western world participates equally, and taxes go up significantly here at home to pay for it.
    Sorry to break it to you but those two things just ain't gonna happen. They will not happen because the US has made itself the 'indispensable power' that so many people like to tout and our European allies (virtually all of whom are in NATO, in which the military might comes mainly from the US) don't have large militaries and so would not be able to participate on a level equal to ours. With regards to taxes, pretty much no one in Congress wants to increase taxes as the political capital just isn't there, if someone were to propose a tax increase, it definitely wouldn't look good and with November elections right around the corner, it definitely isn't a good time to test the political waters.
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    Re: John Kerry: U.S. Open To Cooperating With Iran Over Iraq Conflict

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Sorry to break it to you but those two things just ain't gonna happen. They will not happen because the US has made itself the 'indispensable power' that so many people like to tout and our European allies (virtually all of whom are in NATO, in which the military might comes mainly from the US) don't have large militaries and so would not be able to participate on a level equal to ours. With regards to taxes, pretty much no one in Congress wants to increase taxes as the political capital just isn't there, if someone were to propose a tax increase, it definitely wouldn't look good and with November elections right around the corner, it definitely isn't a good time to test the political waters.
    if internationally shared responsibility and actually paying for these police actions "just ain't gonna happen," then count me as a no vote. i'm not convinced that we can stabilize an entire region anyway, and it would probably require long term occupation. perhaps Saudi Arabia should assemble a military and give it a try instead.

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    Re: John Kerry: U.S. Open To Cooperating With Iran Over Iraq Conflict

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    I remember way back when there was a solution to simply divide the country into three parts. Looks like nature is taking care of that now.
    No, the division was a dumb idea and it still is. The oil fields make dividing the country impossible. If you reach a deal where in the five states share in the oil revenue but are otherwise separate then you really have only recreated current Iraq.
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    Re: John Kerry: U.S. Open To Cooperating With Iran Over Iraq Conflict

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Well, that's one weird way of seeing things. Iranians for the most part love America. Hell, Iranian Americans are some of the most well integrated people in our society. So.... what Iran are you talking about?
    This Iran.
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    Re: John Kerry: U.S. Open To Cooperating With Iran Over Iraq Conflict

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    No, the division was a dumb idea and it still is. The oil fields make dividing the country impossible. If you reach a deal where in the five states share in the oil revenue but are otherwise separate then you really have only recreated current Iraq.
    I didn't say it was a good idea. I said I remembered the idea. I am sure the Kurds wouldn't mind being sliced out of Iraq. They haven't had their own country in centuries.
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    Re: John Kerry: U.S. Open To Cooperating With Iran Over Iraq Conflict

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    I didn't say it was a good idea. I said I remembered the idea. I am sure the Kurds wouldn't mind being sliced out of Iraq. They haven't had their own country in centuries.
    I said it isn't happening. I'm sure the Kurds would love their own country... so long as they get some oil wells. That is why the Kurds won't get their own country.
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    Re: John Kerry: U.S. Open To Cooperating With Iran Over Iraq Conflict

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Well, that's one weird way of seeing things. Iranians for the most part love America. Hell, Iranian Americans are some of the most well integrated people in our society. So.... what Iran are you talking about?
    Apparently, you're behind on the news by, oh, 40+ years.

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