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    Re: John Kerry: U.S. Open To Cooperating With Iran Over Iraq Conflict

    I remember way back when there was a solution to simply divide the country into three parts. Looks like nature is taking care of that now.
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    we should stay the hell out of it. this is also going to happen in Afghanistan in a few years. we should stay out of that, too.

    Saudi Arabia is the regional hegemon, and this is their problem to solve.

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    Re: John Kerry: U.S. Open To Cooperating With Iran Over Iraq Conflict

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    we should stay the hell out of it. this is also going to happen in Afghanistan in a few years. we should stay out of that, too.

    Saudi Arabia is the regional hegemon, and this is their problem to solve.
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    Re: John Kerry: U.S. Open To Cooperating With Iran Over Iraq Conflict

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    We've been reduced to asking Iran, which wants us eliminated from existence, to solve our problems for us.
    Which part of this is "our problem?"
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    Re: John Kerry: U.S. Open To Cooperating With Iran Over Iraq Conflict

    This unique turn of events sure makes for strange bed partners.

    I was watching today on televison that Iraqi men, young and old, 12 to 80, were climbing up on to trucks to go fight these extremists, as fast as the trucks could load them. Yet, their armed military runs away? Quite the contrast, hey?

    That is puzzling.

    I think we all can agree, Americans and even those nitwit Iranians, that this Iraq/Extremist invasion is bad for the whole world stage of economics, no matter where the politics lie. Probably the first thing in decades the world has reached a similar consensus on.

    What also puzzles me is this. Moscow is about 1584 miles from Baghdad. Beijing about 3907 miles away from Baghdad and Washington, D.C. is about 6142 miles away. Twice as far as China. About 4 times further away than Russia. Tell me again why it is OUR (United States,) responsibility to be the world cop on this flare-up?

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    Re: John Kerry: U.S. Open To Cooperating With Iran Over Iraq Conflict

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    we should stay the hell out of it. this is also going to happen in Afghanistan in a few years. we should stay out of that, too.

    Saudi Arabia is the regional hegemon, and this is their problem to solve.
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    Which part of this is "our problem?"
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    This unique turn of events sure makes for strange bed partners.

    I was watching today on televison that Iraqi men, young and old, 12 to 80, were climbing up on to trucks to go fight these extremists, as fast as the trucks could load them. Yet, their armed military runs away? Quite the contrast, hey?

    That is puzzling.

    I think we all can agree, Americans and even those nitwit Iranians, that this Iraq/Extremist invasion is bad for the whole world stage of economics, no matter where the politics lie. Probably the first thing in decades the world has reached a similar consensus on.

    What also puzzles me is this. Moscow is about 1584 miles from Baghdad. Beijing about 3907 miles away from Baghdad and Washington, D.C. is about 6142 miles away. Twice as far as China. About 4 times further away than Russia. Tell me again why it is OUR (United States,) responsibility to be the world cop on this flare-up?
    This is "our problem" due to the patently obvious danger to our interests of an al-Qaeda-esque militant group seizing control of large swaths of a country we once occupied, including its capital city. The last time we let such extremists take over a country, they managed to launch a terrorist attack against us from that nation (although, to be fair, the Iraqi situation is not directly comparable to Afghanistan).
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    Re: John Kerry: U.S. Open To Cooperating With Iran Over Iraq Conflict

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    This is "our problem" due to the patently obvious danger to our interests of an al-Qaeda-esque militant group seizing control of large swaths of a country we once occupied, including its capital city. The last time we let such extremists take over a country, they managed to launch a terrorist attack against us from that nation (although, to be fair, the Iraqi situation is not directly comparable to Afghanistan).
    as the regional hegemon, it's Saudi Arabia's responsibility, as it would be our problem if this happened in Mexico.

    if it becomes necessary for the world to intervene, then the world, including and especially Europe, needs to assemble a force capable of intervention.

    if we do get involved, wartime tax rates need to go into effect, as well. whenever we enter a conflict, we need to pay for it. tax rates should increase significantly for all brackets during time of war.

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    Re: John Kerry: U.S. Open To Cooperating With Iran Over Iraq Conflict

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    huge mistake
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    Re: John Kerry: U.S. Open To Cooperating With Iran Over Iraq Conflict

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    as the regional hegemon, it's Saudi Arabia's responsibility, as it would be our problem if this happened in Mexico.
    In a world where all regional hegemons shared the same goals and abilities, or where we did not have so much skin in the game, I would support this. However, Saudi Arabia's relationship with ISIS and Iraq is starkly different from ours, and it would be against our interests (as well as those of the people of Iraq) to allow Riyadh to handle the crisis.
    if it becomes necessary for the world to intervene, then the world, including and especially Europe, needs to assemble a force capable of intervention.
    Again, this is only possible in a perfect world. For the time being, if we want something done right, we must do it ourselves.

    In fact, though, we almost never act alone. Aside from minor skirmishes and non-combatant assistance, we appear not to have acted outside of a coalition since 1958.
    if we do get involved, wartime tax rates need to go into effect, as well. whenever we enter a conflict, we need to pay for it. tax rates should increase significantly for all brackets during time of war.
    I would say that such policy would limit our ability to act in American or humanitarian interests. I agree, however, that the public should care more about our interventions and their consequences - for better or worse.
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    Re: John Kerry: U.S. Open To Cooperating With Iran Over Iraq Conflict

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Great. Just great. Now we're going to take sides in the sectarian fight between Shiites and Sunnis. Just great. That will turn out real well I'm sure.
    The options really aren't all that attractive. Iraq falls into the hands of people who are crazier than the mullahs. They turn it into another Somalia - only this one is right smack in the middle of oil fields that keep the world working. What then? Gas prices so high we figure out ways to move timber on bicycles. However, imagine it doesn't get to that extent and they just get to a level of... let's say... regional power. That's a regional power who hates the Iranians, Israelis, Jordanians, Saudis and Egyptians far more than we hate any of those countries. Yeah, this isn't looking like something we'll have much of an option on.
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