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IRS: So… Our Computer Crashed And Erased All Of Lois Lerner’s Emails

TheNextEra said:
Sorry but can you please cite for us where this same equipment is used to store tax returns from 2013? I find that difficult to believe.
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This is an attempt a humor, right? I mean you couldn't even get parts for those.
 
justabubba said:
yes, but it is hard not to be condescending when responding to ignorant assholes pretending to exercise authority
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Are you saying that the Congress no longer has the authority to oversee government departments like the IRS?

when did that happen?
 
ARealConservative said:
it's a clown show.

Most large companies and government agencies still use mainframes and reel to reel magnetic tape. That doesn't exempt them from having to retain records they are legally required to maintain.
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absolutely. Koskinen gave the excuse that it was just too difficult to retrieve, so they won't bother.
 
some partisan hacks sure are being exposed.

I'm not going to pretend to know the law, and what constitutes a record that is requried to be preserved, but If you don't see a problem with letting the employee decide which emails need to be preserved, and which ones don't, you really shouldn't be a part of this conversation. If you think running COBOL code, or using magnetic reel to reel prevents emails from being saved, you should not be a part of this conversation.
 
j-mac said:
Are you saying that the Congress no longer has the authority to oversee government departments like the IRS?

when did that happen?
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I guess bubba either is unaware of the checks and balances or thinks they don't apply.
 
American said:
I guess bubba either is unaware of the checks and balances or thinks they don't apply.
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yeah, and that is just sad. I get the feeling this is how most progressives view congress. As more of a ceremonial body, supposedly only there to rubber stamp their corruption.
 
American said:
I guess bubba either is unaware of the checks and balances or thinks they don't apply.
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here is the post which elicited your very ignorant comment above:
justabubba said:
yes, but it is hard not to be condescending when responding to ignorant assholes pretending to exercise authority
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now here is my public challenge to you. point out where in my post that i have objected to checks and balances within the federal government

i am doing this to expose your ridiculous fabrications and/or your inability to comprehend the written word
 
j-mac said:
yeah, and that is just sad. I get the feeling this is how most progressives view congress. As more of a ceremonial body, supposedly only there to rubber stamp their corruption.
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It's hard to know sometimes, because they seem preoccupied with holding the Senate. Reid is still running interference for Obama.
 
American said:
It's hard to know sometimes, because they seem preoccupied with holding the Senate. Reid is still running interference for Obama.
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When he can take the time out from his busy schedule of basing the Koch brothers, whining about the Redskins logo, and expressing his pretend fear of Clive Bundy.
 
“I wish there was more GOP interest when I raised the same issue during the Bush administration, where they audited a progressive church in my district in what look liked a very selective way,” California Democratic Rep. Adam Schiff said on MSNBC Monday. “I found only one Republican, [North Carolina Rep. Walter Jones], that would join me in calling for an investigation during the Bush administration. I’m glad now that the GOP has found interest in this issue and it ought to be a bipartisan concern.”

The well-known church, All Saints Episcopal in Pasadena, became a bit of a cause célèbre on the left after the IRS threatened to revoke the church’s tax-exempt status over an anti-Iraq War sermon the Sunday before the 2004 election. “Jesus [would say], ‘Mr. President, your doctrine of preemptive war is a failed doctrine,’” rector George Regas said from the dais.

When the IRS targeted liberals - Salon.com
 
Misuse of the IRS by presidents is both wrong and common place. It's unfortunate that republicans only raise hell when a democratic president engages in it, and vice versa. Like that, it will never change. Such is partisan politics at DP and in America.

List of incidents of misuse of the Internal Revenue Service - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Maybe this time people will go to jail and it will be a wake up call for future presidents republican and democrat alike!!
 
Montecresto said:
Misuse of the IRS by presidents is both wrong and common place. It's unfortunate that republicans only raise hell when a democratic president engages in it, and vice versa. Like that, it will never change. Such is partisan politics at DP and in America.

List of incidents of misuse of the Internal Revenue Service - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Maybe this time people will go to jail and it will be a wake up call for future presidents republican and democrat alike!!
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you can best change your own actions, which from what I can tell is basically you trying to provide cover for a current investigation, ,which makes your feigned indignation laughable from where I sit.
 
Napoleon said:
Sounds like you need to do a little reading of your own. The Federal Records Act only requires the retention of records which are "in connection with the transaction of public business." That doesn't mean all e-mails. And by the way, can you prove that the content of those e-mails related to the transaction of public business?
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Kind of hard to do when they were intentionally destroyed.

The following is from the IRS's own web site:

Emails as Possible Federal Records

All federal employees and federal contractors are required by law to preserve records containing adequate and proper documentation of the organization, functions, policies, decisions, procedures, and essential transactions of the agency. Records must be properly stored and preserved, available for retrieval and subject to appropriate approved disposition schedules.

The Federal Records Act applies to email records just as it does to records you create using other media. Emails are records when they are:

Created or received in the transaction of agency business

Appropriate for preservation as evidence of the government’s function and activities, or

Valuable because of the information they contain

http://www.irs.gov/irm/part1/irm_01-010-003.html
 
Montecresto said:
We didn't send anyone to jail when the Bush administration fixed the intelligence around the policy to invade Iraq which cost hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi lives, the lives of 4,500 US servicemen/women and a trillion dollars to boot. Though I agree with you that someone needs to go to jail over this IRS scandal, the hypocrisy is thick here!

Bush Obstructs Justice Bush Obstructs Justice
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Hard to take seriously anyone who uses rense.com as a source. If the intelligence was fixed, it was done by the same CIA chief that served the Clinton Administration.
 
Montecresto said:
“I wish there was more GOP interest when I raised the same issue during the Bush administration, where they audited a progressive church in my district in what look liked a very selective way,” California Democratic Rep. Adam Schiff said on MSNBC Monday. “I found only one Republican, [North Carolina Rep. Walter Jones], that would join me in calling for an investigation during the Bush administration. I’m glad now that the GOP has found interest in this issue and it ought to be a bipartisan concern.”

The well-known church, All Saints Episcopal in Pasadena, became a bit of a cause célèbre on the left after the IRS threatened to revoke the church’s tax-exempt status over an anti-Iraq War sermon the Sunday before the 2004 election. “Jesus [would say], ‘Mr. President, your doctrine of preemptive war is a failed doctrine,’” rector George Regas said from the dais.

When the IRS targeted liberals - Salon.com
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First rense.com...now salon.com? Perhaps you would be taken more seriously if you would quote from mainstream news sources rather then oddball sites.
 
ARealConservative said:
you can best change your own actions, which from what I can tell is basically you trying to provide cover for a current investigation, ,which makes your feigned indignation laughable from where I sit.
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Really now?? Are you setting in the bar ditch? I support an investigation, and if it uncovers illegal acts, I certainly hope somebody goes to jail, AND..............I hope it will serve as a wake up call to all future presidents, republican and democratic as well, that such behaviour won't be tolerated. Now then, what reasonable and objective person would take issue with that position??
 
Kobie said:
At the risk of coming off as a "hopeless partisan," is it possible, in any way, that Lerner contacted the DOJ about prosecution because these groups were breaking the law?
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It's not very likely that only conservative groups were breaking the law.
 
ObamacareFail said:
Kind of hard to do when they were intentionally destroyed.

The following is from the IRS's own web site:

Emails as Possible Federal Records

All federal employees and federal contractors are required by law to preserve records containing adequate and proper documentation of the organization, functions, policies, decisions, procedures, and essential transactions of the agency. Records must be properly stored and preserved, available for retrieval and subject to appropriate approved disposition schedules.

The Federal Records Act applies to email records just as it does to records you create using other media. Emails are records when they are:

Created or received in the transaction of agency business

Appropriate for preservation as evidence of the government’s function and activities, or

Valuable because of the information they contain

Internal Revenue Manual - 1.10.3 Standards for Using Email
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ok, now tell us which of the unavailable emails consists of records containing adequate and proper documentation of the organization, functions, policies, decisions, procedures, and essential transactions of the IRS
 
ObamacareFail said:
Hard to take seriously anyone who uses rense.com as a source. If the intelligence was fixed, it was done by the same CIA chief that served the Clinton Administration.
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Dr. Paul Craig Roberts was assistant treasury secretary for the reason administration, and co-founder of Reaganomics, Rense.com is merely quoting him. Roberts has itemised a laundry list of Bush crimes! It was a memo from #10 Downing Street that disclosed the information that Bush (not Clinton) had fixed the intelligence around his Iraq policy, sorry!
 
ObamacareFail said:
Says the poster who uses a radical leftist site like rense.com as a source.
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Would you expect the radical right group at FOX.com to be forthcoming with the truth??

J. Russell George, who serves as an IRS watchdog at the U.S. Treasury, told the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee that only last week did his office receive documents showing the term "progressive" was used to flag cases for additional review.

"The moment I became aware that other groups were spotlighted by the IRS, I directed my staff to commence review of that," George said.

"I am very disturbed that these documents were not provided to our auditors at the outset," he said. "They were not provided during our audit, even though similar documents that list 'Tea Party' … were."


http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/07/18/irs-tea-party-hearing/2551339/
 
justabubba said:
ok, now tell us which of the unavailable emails consists of records containing adequate and proper documentation of the organization, functions, policies, decisions, procedures, and essential transactions of the IRS
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Gee, I dunno....which unavailable emails do you think pertain?
 
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