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IRS: So… Our Computer Crashed And Erased All Of Lois Lerner’s Emails

Nothing like a fake story to rile up the base. According to the actual timeline of events, the server that hosted the emails Issa is requesting crashed early in 2011, 2 years before the scandal broke, and was immediately reported by Lerner. And attempts were immediately made to recover the data, which were only partly successful. But Issa already knows that. Cover up, my ass!

Timeline is here.
 
danarhea said:
Nothing like a fake story to rile up the base. According to the actual timeline of events, the server that hosted the emails Issa is requesting crashed early in 2011, 2 years before the scandal broke, and was immediately reported by Lerner. And attempts were immediately made to recover the data, which were only partly successful. But Issa already knows that. Cover up, my ass!

Timeline is here.
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The servers crashed 10 days after the initial inquiry was made. In other words, Lois Learner got asked about it and 10 days later her server mysteriously crashed.

It actually SCREAMS cover-up. She gets asked by congress, she knows that there will be an investigation, she gets rid of evidence before the investigation really begins.
 
Jack Fabulous said:
The servers crashed 10 days after the initial inquiry was made. In other words, Lois Learner got asked about it and 10 days later her server mysteriously crashed.

It actually SCREAMS cover-up. She gets asked by congress, she knows that there will be an investigation, she gets rid of evidence before the investigation really begins.
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Not true....

June 13, 2011: Lois Lerner, the IRS official at the center of the investigation, reports her computer's hard drive has crashed, according to an email from another member of the Exempt Organizations Division, which Lerner led.

May 3, 2012: Rep. Dave Camp, R-Mich., chairman of House Ways and Means Committee, sends letter to IRS commissioner requesting all applications seeking tax-exempt status in 2010 and 2011, including all files, correspondence and internal IRS records related to the applications.
 
danarhea said:
Not true....

June 13, 2011: Lois Lerner, the IRS official at the center of the investigation, reports her computer's hard drive has crashed, according to an email from another member of the Exempt Organizations Division, which Lerner led.

May 3, 2012: Rep. Dave Camp, R-Mich., chairman of House Ways and Means Committee, sends letter to IRS commissioner requesting all applications seeking tax-exempt status in 2010 and 2011, including all files, correspondence and internal IRS records related to the applications.
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http://waysandmeans.house.gov/uploadedfiles/non_6103_ltr_final.pdf
 
danarhea said:
My issue isn't that Conservative groups weren't unfairly targeted, because I believe they were. My issue is the accusation of a cover up, which the evidence does not support.
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you appear to be in a rush to stamp out any coverup prior to all the evidence being presented.

I just presented the letter dated 10 days prior to the email server crash, why did ABC leave this one out of the timeline?
 
Personally I think the stonewalling, the missing emails, Lerner taking the fifth twice, etc. is to avoid the truth coming out until the 2014 elections because the investigation so far through documents obtained by Judicial Watch by way of court order suggests some senior Democrat senators of possible wrongdoing.

Here's a reported timeline of events involving Lerner

IRS Fired Email-Archiving Firm After Lerner Crash | The Daily Caller
 
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danarhea said:
Not true....

June 13, 2011: Lois Lerner, the IRS official at the center of the investigation, reports her computer's hard drive has crashed, according to an email from another member of the Exempt Organizations Division, which Lerner led.

May 3, 2012: Rep. Dave Camp, R-Mich., chairman of House Ways and Means Committee, sends letter to IRS commissioner requesting all applications seeking tax-exempt status in 2010 and 2011, including all files, correspondence and internal IRS records related to the applications.
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It is absolutely true. I was watching a show just last night that was talking about it.(I believe it was The Kelly File) I'll post the video if I can find it.

The bottom line is that Learner DEFINITELY knew that people were looking into this before her "servers crashed".
 
Jack Fabulous said:
It is absolutely true. I was watching a show just last night that was talking about it.(I believe it was The Kelly File) I'll post the video if I can find it.

The bottom line is that Learner DEFINITELY knew that people were looking into this before her "servers crashed".
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OK, I have an open mind. Post it, and let me look at it.
 
danarhea said:
OK, I have an open mind. Post it, and let me look at it.
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well, the jury is definitely still out on that one. I already posted proof that the IRS learned of this investigation 10 days earlier.

why did ABC exclude facts from their timeline? Why are you providing cover for what appears to be a potential coverup?
 
danarhea said:
OK, I have an open mind. Post it, and let me look at it.
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Actually, the gist of it was already posted in post 332. Here it is.

IRS Fired Email-Archiving Firm After Lerner Crash | The Daily Caller

Lois Lerner’s computer allegedly crashed in June 2011, just ten days after House Ways and Means Committee chairman Rep. Dave Camp first wrote a letter asking if the IRS was engaging in targeting of nonprofit groups. Two months later, Sonasoft’s contract ended and the IRS gave its email-archiving contractor the boot.
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If this is true it sure makes this computer crash look a little too convenient for my tastes. I hope they investigate what files in addition to the e-mails were actually lost and if any measures were taken by Ms. Learner prior to this crash to relocate important files.
 
Jack Fabulous said:
Actually, the gist of it was already posted in post 332. Here it is.

IRS Fired Email-Archiving Firm After Lerner Crash | The Daily Caller





If this is true it sure makes this computer crash look a little too convenient for my tastes. I hope they investigate what files in addition to the e-mails were actually lost and if any measures were taken by Ms. Learner prior to this crash to relocate important files.
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The time line I posted has the following:

May 3, 2012: Rep. Dave Camp, R-Mich., chairman of House Ways and Means Committee, sends letter to IRS commissioner requesting all applications seeking tax-exempt status in 2010 and 2011, including all files, correspondence and internal IRS records related to the applications.

Seems the letter, according to the documentation supplied by the New York Times, was written by Camp almost a year after the crash, and not 10 days before.
 
danarhea said:
The time line I posted has the following:

May 3, 2012: Rep. Dave Camp, R-Mich., chairman of House Ways and Means Committee, sends letter to IRS commissioner requesting all applications seeking tax-exempt status in 2010 and 2011, including all files, correspondence and internal IRS records related to the applications.

Seems the letter, according to the documentation supplied by the New York Times, was written by Camp almost a year after the crash, and not 10 days before.
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10 days before the crash a letter was sent asking for all written communications - which include email - between the IRS and the Treasury Department.
 
danarhea said:
The time line I posted has the following:

May 3, 2012: Rep. Dave Camp, R-Mich., chairman of House Ways and Means Committee, sends letter to IRS commissioner requesting all applications seeking tax-exempt status in 2010 and 2011, including all files, correspondence and internal IRS records related to the applications.

Seems the letter, according to the documentation supplied by the New York Times, was written by Camp almost a year after the crash, and not 10 days before.
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Camp Demands IRS Answer Questions About Gift Tax Investigation | House Committee on Ways & Means
Washington, Jun 15, 2011 | 0 comments

Washington, DC - Today, Ways and Means Committee Chairman Dave Camp (R-MI) released a public letter he sent to the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) demanding information about its recent investigation into certain donations to non-profit organizations and the agency’s apparent drive to impose gift taxes on these monies. Camp questioned the process leading up to this action and level of involvement by the Obama Administration.

Releasing the letter Camp stated, “Every aspect of this tax investigation, from the timing to the sudden reversal of nearly thirty years of IRS practice, strongly suggests that the IRS is targeting constitutionally-protected political speech. The IRS must explain its actions or risk creating a chilling effect that threatens not only political advocacy groups, but all tax-exempt organizations that depend on contributions from individual donors.”

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danarhea said:
The time line I posted has the following:

May 3, 2012: Rep. Dave Camp, R-Mich., chairman of House Ways and Means Committee, sends letter to IRS commissioner requesting all applications seeking tax-exempt status in 2010 and 2011, including all files, correspondence and internal IRS records related to the applications.

Seems the letter, according to the documentation supplied by the New York Times, was written by Camp almost a year after the crash, and not 10 days before.
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It appears that the NYT is reporting on a different letter. Camp may have sent several but the one I am referring to was definitely sent 10 days prior to the crash. This has now been sourced several times in this thread.

The fact that he sent a letter 10 days prior has been confirmed.
 


Trey Gowdy tears Koskinen a new asshole.
 
American said:


Trey Gowdy tears Koskinen a new asshole.
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beautiful! that's my congressman :) and to the commissioner, what an arrogant, snarky, lying piece of **** he is....

I hope this brings the IRS down!
 
Hey Dana, I noticed you are avoiding ARC's specific question asked twice now...why?
 
MaggieD said:
I don't believe it either. Maybe a tech-savvy someone will check in on this thread. But my common sense tells me that "every computer within the IRS" is backed up every hour. I say a crash that would have lost all these emails is a bold-faced lie.
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I work in the IT field and part of my job is to respond to computer crashes. I have been doing it for a very long time and with the exception of hurricane or fire damaged computers I have never had a problem retrieving emails.
 
MaggieD said:
I don't believe it either. Maybe a tech-savvy someone will check in on this thread. But my common sense tells me that "every computer within the IRS" is backed up every hour. I say a crash that would have lost all these emails is a bold-faced lie.
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The IRS did not have the server capacity to archive every single e-mail that every employ sends. Their retention policy was that only 6,000 e-mails per e-mail account would be stored on the server. If an employee believes that an e-mail is important, but may be lost due to that retention constraint, then it is plausible that they would store that e-mail in a file on their hard drive. This is not unusual at all. I do it myself and, in fact, I must do it to retain communications for longer than 15 months so that our line of business remains in compliance with the firm's risk and control policies. But, any IT specialist who tells you that they can always recover every file from a corrupted hard drive is not telling the truth.
 
Napoleon said:
The IRS did not have the server capacity to archive every single e-mail that every employ sends. Their retention policy was that only 6,000 e-mails per e-mail account would be stored on the server. If an employee believes that an e-mail is important, but may be lost due to that retention constraint, then it is plausible that they would store that e-mail in a file on their hard drive. This is not unusual at all. I do it myself and, in fact, I must do it to retain communications for longer than 15 months so that our line of business remains in compliance with the firm's risk and control policies. But, any IT specialist who tells you that they can always recover every file from a corrupted hard drive is not telling the truth.
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hahahaha.

so employees decide for themselves which emails should be saved.

what could go wrong?
 
ObamacareFail said:
I work in the IT field and part of my job is to respond to computer crashes. I have been doing it for a very long time and with the exception of hurricane or fire damaged computers I have never had a problem retrieving emails.
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Thanks, OF. That's kind of what I thought.
 
ARealConservative said:
hahahaha.

so employees decide for themselves which emails should be saved.

what could go wrong?
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In accordance with risk and control policies in the private sector, absolutely, and it is reasonable to believe that employees in the public sector exercise similar judgement.
 
Napoleon said:
The IRS did not have the server capacity to archive every single e-mail that every employ sends. Their retention policy was that only 6,000 e-mails per e-mail account would be stored on the server. If an employee believes that an e-mail is important, but may be lost due to that retention constraint, then it is plausible that they would store that e-mail in a file on their hard drive. This is not unusual at all. I do it myself and, in fact, I must do it to retain communications for longer than 15 months so that our line of business remains in compliance with the firm's risk and control policies. But, any IT specialist who tells you that they can always recover every file from a corrupted hard drive is not telling the truth.
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Since when aren't emails stored on hard drives? In any case, the IRS, who demands that we keep records for a minimum of seven years, and can even require proof long before THAT, has an obligation to keep every single email. That, in my opinion, is a piss-poor excuse. Six thousand emails?? That's merely 28 emails a day for a year. I don't even believe it.
 
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