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IRS: So… Our Computer Crashed And Erased All Of Lois Lerner’s Emails

It is typical political machine corruption 101. Those in power use everything in their power to keep power. The use of government agencies to punish rivals and political enemies. The use of government contracts to reward and attract powerful friends. It is basically organized crime, and when they get on top of power, and put in their people at the places that are suppose to do oversight, it is hard to get them out of power. They appoint the FBI director, they appoint the attorney general, they appoint judges. It is an extreme danger to freedom.
 
j-mac said:
Well sly, I for one sure hope that the IRS isn't relying on something akin to a comadore 64 in this day and age.
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They don't seem to have much trouble keeping track of my tax records...
 
justabubba said:
the post said there is a white house connection to this matter
i invited that poster to show the connection
notice you didn't either
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Considering how much evidence is being destroyed, I don't see that ever being conclusively proven. CYA, after all, is Chicago politics 101.
 
Wow. I didn't think the White House was involved in this until now. This has all the markings of an historic conspiracy. This issue can't and shouldn't go away anytime soon. If the IRS was used to target a political ideology and free speech, a monumental shift has occurred where we have sacrificed personal liberty and opened the door to absolute government tyranny.

It shouldn't matter whether you're progressive, conservative, libertarian or "other" because eventually another party will take control and if the IRS is now a political tool, look out!!!
 
BTW...If Bubba is the only progressive defending the IRS right now, as it appears he is, on this thread anyway, it would appear that I was right about this crossing party lines. This isn't something that Americans support and it isn't a good day to argue for more IRS power considering they will now have control the medical records of every American.
The best case scenario is that the IRS is so incompetent and is working with such archaic hardware, software and data protection/recovery policies that it cant be trusted. Oh, that's right, there are federal laws that make such incompetence a crime aren't there? I guess someone will go to jail now that we can all agree that this level of incompetence is a crime. I think we can all agree that someone needs to go to jail.
 
GPS_Flex said:
BTW...If Bubba is the only progressive defending the IRS right now, as it appears he is, on this thread anyway, it would appear that I was right about this crossing party lines. This isn't something that Americans support and it isn't a good day to argue for more IRS power considering they will now have control the medical records of every American.
The best case scenario is that the IRS is so incompetent and is working with such archaic hardware, software and data protection/recovery policies that it cant be trusted. Oh, that's right, there are federal laws that make such incompetence a crime aren't there? I guess someone will go to jail now that we can all agree that this level of incompetence is a crime. I think we can all agree that someone needs to go to jail.
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He is defending the Democrats, Obama and the Progressive ideology and will continue to defend them no matter what.

I guarantee, if new irrefutable evidence started emerging that tied the White House into the IRSs targeting of Conservatives the left would go from this desperate denial to a position indifference.

Basically, " Yea he did it, you people should be targeted, what are you going to do about it ? "

Because the alternative is for them to admit they were wrong all along and even worse, that we were Right all along.

Liberals are not honest people, they are not humble people and the value of humility is a completely foreign concept to them.

They'll chose ideology over truth and integrity every day.
 
Fenton said:
Liberals are not honest people, they are not humble people and the value of humility is a completely foreign concept to them.

They'll chose ideology over truth and integrity every day.
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Your ludicrous hyperpartisan blather is duly noted and summarily ignored.
 
Watching the hearing from yesterday it became even clearer that the House Democrats are not representing their constituents but their political party instead.
 
Jango said:
Watching the hearing from yesterday it became even clearer that the House Democrats are not representing their constituents but their political party instead.
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My point exactly. Everyone does it in Washington. So how can we keep Washington liable? The American people. But we work 9-5's, taking care of family, and gorging products and services.
 
Well, if I am ever audited by the IRS - I know what my excuse will be.
 
Kobie said:
Your ludicrous hyperpartisan blather is duly noted and summarily ignored.
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Pointing out that someone is defending an organization, despite the obvious, out of pure partisanship doesn't make him hyperpartisan. While the link may not be proven, there is only the slightest chance that the WH was not involved, at this point. So slight, that one must care about nothing other than partisanship not to see that.
 
mac said:
Pointing out that someone is defending an organization, despite the obvious, out of pure partisanship doesn't make him hyperpartisan. While the link may not be proven, there is only the slightest chance that the WH was not involved, at this point. So slight, that one must care about nothing other than partisanship not to see that.
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the desperation of that post can be smelled while reading it

while there is no link to the white house, the hyper-partisans insist there IS a connection ... because they want (and need) one so much

but as with benghazi, fast & furious, and the 501c(4) hearings, they have come up empty once again
 
justabubba said:
the desperation of that post can be smelled while reading it

while there is no link to the white house, the hyper-partisans insist there IS a connection ... because they want (and need) one so much

but as with benghazi, fast & furious, and the 501c(4) hearings, they have come up empty once again
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Without getting into the partisan side of this issue, I do find the fact that the IRS saying all her e-mails have vanished because of a computer crash hard to believe. I worked for the army, if my computer crashed everything on it was stored on the server. If both my computer and the server crashed at the same time, highly unlikely, everything was still saved on the backup server. This all had to do with federal law along with security and operational capabilities the army needed. If all three crashed at the same time, the chances of that happening is less than you and I winning the lottery ten times in a row. You would still have copies of e-mails that went to other people on their servers and computers outside of the sever and backup that served you. The same with incoming e-mails, they would still be stored on those computers and servers that were outside the server that took care of Learner.

Now I am not a computer guru, that wasn't my job. I also do not know if the IRS communications systems were set up like the army's. But with both having to fall under the same federal laws, rules and regulations, I would assume so. Can you imagine if a computer crash could cause the loss of all of Learner's e-mails and records, then the same thing, another crash could cause the lost of all tax records stored on the IRS computers and servers. I would bet a dollar to a doughnut, the IRS has taken many precautions to prevent this. If not, a computer crash could cause the IRS to lose all your and I tax records, businesses, the whole nine yards.

I really don't believe it.
 
As you say, Perotista, highly unlikely.
 
justabubba said:
the desperation of that post can be smelled while reading it

while there is no link to the white house, the hyper-partisans insist there IS a connection ... because they want (and need) one so much

but as with benghazi, fast & furious, and the 501c(4) hearings, they have come up empty once again
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Lerner wanted to arrest people because of their political lean. You're ok with that?
 
Kobie said:
Your ludicrous hyperpartisan blather is duly noted and summarily ignored.
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Yea right. Pot meet kettle.

You guys have been covering for Obama and the Democrats on every issue including Benghazi and the IRS scandal.

I can understand a disagreement on policy, but when you people willfully ignore and attempt to divert away from something as profoundly corrupt as the IRSs targeting of American Citizens you've traded away your integrity for a membership in the Barrack Obama fan club.
 
Fenton said:
Yea right. Pot meet kettle.

You guys have been covering for Obama and the Democrats on every issue including Benghazi and the IRS scandal.

I can understand a disagreement on policy, but when you people willfully ignore and attempt to divert away from something as profoundly corrupt as the IRSs targeting of American Citizens you've traded away your integrity for a membership in the Barrack Obama fan club.
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And the Biased Lame Stream Media has done the same.
 
apdst said:
Lerner wanted to arrest people because of their political lean. You're ok with that?
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would you please show us a cite confirming your allegation
 
Fenton said:
Yea right. Pot meet kettle.

You guys have been covering for Obama and the Democrats on every issue including Benghazi and the IRS scandal.

I can understand a disagreement on policy, but when you people willfully ignore and attempt to divert away from something as profoundly corrupt as the IRSs targeting of American Citizens you've traded away your integrity for a membership in the Barrack Obama fan club.
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"... the IRSs targeting of American Citizens"
this is something which has not been found to exist
i realize you and those of your ilk want that to exist, but even the (republican) IG answered under oath that he found no indications of illegal activity by the IRS
 
justabubba said:
the desperation of that post can be smelled while reading it

while there is no link to the white house, the hyper-partisans insist there IS a connection ... because they want (and need) one so much

but as with benghazi, fast & furious, and the 501c(4) hearings, they have come up empty once again
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Have you even admitted that there was a purposeful and HIGHLY illegal targeting of Conservatives by the IRS ?

Because of you haven't then my post is accurate.

So what, we don't have documents that tie the WH directly to the IRS scandal, but do we really need them by now ?

What has been Obama's continued position on this issue ? Well aside from his iniatal false outrage.

Why hasn't the Justice department gone after these people ?

And you still continue to defend the President and the corruption that is the Democrat party.
 
justabubba said:
"... the IRSs targeting of American Citizens"
this is something which has not been found to exist
i realize you and those of your ilk want that to exist, but even the (republican) IG answered under oath that he found no indications of illegal activity by the IRS
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SEE ??!!

Ideology over truth. FFS, Lerner admitted there was disproportionate targeting.

She LIED and blamed it on " rogue agents in Cincinnati ".

Now if the IRS wasn't targeting American Citizens based on their opposition to the President why would she have to concoct some BS lie about " rogue agents " ?
 
Fenton said:
Have you even admitted that there was a purposeful and HIGHLY illegal targeting of Conservatives by the IRS ?

Because of you haven't then my post is accurate.

So what, we don't have documents that tie the WH directly to the IRS scandal, but do we really need them by now ?

What has been Obama's continued position on this issue ? Well aside from his iniatal false outrage.

Why hasn't the Justice department gone after these people ?

And you still continue to defend the President and the corruption that is the Democrat party.
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thank you for confirming that your side has nothing
except a desire for the white house to be negatively implicated
 
justabubba said:
"... the IRSs targeting of American Citizens"
this is something which has not been found to exist
i realize you and those of your ilk want that to exist, but even the (republican) IG answered under oath that he found no indications of illegal activity by the IRS
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As the majority of citizens are indicating, it appears it is you and those of your ilk are excusing the inexcusable. With credibility already vacant on the issue, it's probably coming down to who cares what your ilk thinks?

With recent revelations about what is obvious to the most simple of minds is destruction of evidence, only the fully controlled can wave a hand and try to sell a "nothing to see here" meme.

Keep waving, it's not helping your agenda.
 
justabubba said:
thank you for confirming that your side has nothing
except a desire for the white house to be negatively implicated
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Uh huh, pretty selective of you.

Using that statement out of context is a perfect example of what I'm taking about.

Again, what has been his position since Lois Lerner admitted to the targeting of Conservative Americans ?

What has his Justice department done since Lerner admitted there was disproportionate targeting ?
 
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